Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

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Netserk

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Berniece said:
Riding the Giro doesn't help you win the Olympics, but that's not what I said. I said he's riding the Giro, because he wants to win the Olympics.

With the stature of Pogacar you have to go for a GT win every season. Since he also really wants to shine at the olympics, he can't do an all out TDF beforehand. So doing the Giro will get him that GT win (probably, if he's unlucky he might lose it by getting COVID), and then focus on the Olympics by riding the TDF like MVDP did this year. Ride it as a preparation for the Olympics, get some stage wins, but don't go all out every stage. Basically the same thing WVA is doing.
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So you don't expect that he'll ride for GC in the Tour?
 
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Bolder said:
Or Dumoulin, for that matter. But Pog doesn't have the luxury of waiting for Vingegaard to retire.
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Dumoulin actually said that in the year he did both (2018), he was better in the Tour than he was in the Giro. So it's not a given that this will take too much out of Pog to still be at his highest level in the Tour. Vingegaard demonstrated this year that contesting two GTs after one another for the win is still perfectly possible.

Mentally it could be a good choice. If he stays on his bike in the Giro he will win that with relative ease, and it takes all the pressure off for the Tour. If he's good there, great, if he's not, blame it on the Giro.
 
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theyoungest said:
Dumoulin actually said that in the year he did both (2018), he was better in the Tour than he was in the Giro. So it's not a given that this will take too much out of Pog to still be at his highest level in the Tour. Vingegaard demonstrated this year that contesting two GTs after one another for the win is still perfectly possible.

Mentally it could be a good choice. If he stays on his bike in the Giro he will win that with relative ease, and it takes all the pressure off for the Tour. If he's good there, great, if he's not, blame it on the Giro.
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In Pogs case I think it depends how much he rides in the spring.

Dumoulin had 11 race days prior to the Giro in 2018. DNF in Tirreno.

Didnt fight for the win in any race.
 
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Salvarani said:
In Pogs case I think it depends how much he rides in the spring.

Dumoulin had 11 race days prior to the Giro in 2018. DNF in Tirreno.

Didnt fight for the win in any race.
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Of course if he wants to ride everything and contest for the win everywhere, that's just not possible. He has to make choices. If he does an entire spring and then Giro and Tour, he's probably not going to be that great, but I assume that's not the plan.
 
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theyoungest said:
Of course if he wants to ride everything and contest for the win everywhere, that's just not possible. He has to make choices. If he does an entire spring and then Giro and Tour, he's probably not going to be that great, but I assume that's not the plan.
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He will most likely ride Tirreno, MSR, LBL imo.

Right now he is also scheduled for Algarve, which could change. Who knows.

However, we are probably looking at 18-20 race days before the Giro.

No idea if that is too much or whatnot, but seems doable.

I think Giro-Olympics-Vuelta-Worlds-Lombardia would be the better program... rather than Giro-Tour-Olympics.

On the other hand Pog seems to like to get that break in August, before the fall, so why not.
 
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Nibali’s thoughts on pogi’s programme

““Pogačar could easily delay his season debut by participating in Strade Bianche and Milan-San Remo, but I think he will have to sacrifice races like Paris-Nice and Tirreno,” Nibali said. “Maybe he could include Liège in the build-up to the start of the Giro, but not much more.””
 
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Nibali’s thoughts on pogi’s programme

““Pogačar could easily delay his season debut by participating in Strade Bianche and Milan-San Remo, but I think he will have to sacrifice races like Paris-Nice and Tirreno,” Nibali said. “Maybe he could include Liège in the build-up to the start of the Giro, but not much more.””
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Thats weird.

Paris-Nice or Tirreno is definitely doable.

Maybe scrap one out of SB or MSR instead, obviously SB makes more sense then to scrap.
 
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Berniece said:
I don't expect him to ride for the number one spot. I can still see him riding for top 5 position. But that's just my interpretation. If he thinks he can win the Giro, TDF and the Olympics he's just being silly and extremely arrogant.
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Using this logic it's also arrogant to think that as a GT winner, you have any realistic chance at beating MvdP in Flanders. Yet here we are...

I don't think you can accuse Pog of arrogance for trying to do what seems impossible... He has pulled too many rabbits out of his hat for that and deserves to be taken seriously.
 
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Nibali’s thoughts on pogi’s programme

““Pogačar could easily delay his season debut by participating in Strade Bianche and Milan-San Remo, but I think he will have to sacrifice races like Paris-Nice and Tirreno,” Nibali said. “Maybe he could include Liège in the build-up to the start of the Giro, but not much more.””
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This is quite weird to me because Vincenzo's programme both years he won the giro was

Tour San Luis
Tour of Oman
Strade + Camaoire/Larciano
Tirreno
MSR
Trentino
LBL
Giro

I think Pogacar does something similar but skips San Luis and Trentino
 
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theyoungest said:
Dumoulin actually said that in the year he did both (2018), he was better in the Tour than he was in the Giro. So it's not a given that this will take too much out of Pog to still be at his highest level in the Tour. Vingegaard demonstrated this year that contesting two GTs after one another for the win is still perfectly possible.

Mentally it could be a good choice. If he stays on his bike in the Giro he will win that with relative ease, and it takes all the pressure off for the Tour. If he's good there, great, if he's not, blame it on the Giro.
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Exactly, Dumoulin in the Tour 2018 showed his best level in a Grand Tour ever after riding a hard Giro so I can definitely see Pogačar being very strong in both. Dumoulin was also able to do a late season peak for the World Championships so I expect Pogačar to be able to do the same as he usually does this late season peak anyway.

I also think that targetting the Olympics, Vuelta, Worlds and Lombardia is simply too much in two months. If its a hard Vuelta, we will know more tomorrow, Pogačar could be too tired for the Worlds and certainly for Lombardia and if he focuses on the Olympics and Worlds after the Giro, that training is not exactly ideal for the Spanish mountains.
 
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I somehow doubt Pogi will chose light spring campaign, due to riding Giro. From the perspective of doing the Tour after. If he would win a lot and would be exhausted, then skipping the Tour likely is something to be considered. After focusing on the post Tour races. But i do believe that the current plan A is to go after Giro-Tour double. And just the possibility it might happen in 2024. That is something to cherish. I do expect tougher competition at the Giro, though. Compared to the current sentiment, on how Pogi will just ride through and win.

Then there is stage 9 of the Tour. Pure lottery for GC riders. Although Pogi being the one that likely sees it as an opportunity, to win the Tour. Or at least to stress test riders like Jonas.
 
Berniece

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Netserk said:
He can ride for a top-5 position while taking days off? Surely not any of the GC stages.
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Pogacar can ride top-5 position while not going all out to follow Vingegaard, and focus on the Hindley's. Maybe I'm simplifying it too much.

bNator said:
Using this logic it's also arrogant to think that as a GT winner, you have any realistic chance at beating MvdP in Flanders. Yet here we are...

I don't think you can accuse Pog of arrogance for trying to do what seems impossible... He has pulled too many rabbits out of his hat for that and deserves to be taken seriously.
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That's certainly true, but he also lost twice in a row against Vingegaard. And lost hard. I would think that with a perfect preparation they can go head-to-head, but the Giro isn't a perfect preparation.
 
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