Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[hayneplane]

You just can't win Sanremo riding this way. The Poggio is just not a climb where you ride everyone off your wheel. Try attacking on the Cipressa and see who follows, try to attack earlier on the Poggio when MvdP isn't glued to your wheel yet, anything. But this just isn't working.

To be fair I think that was the most attentive I have ever seen MVDP be in a big race. Was always in the right position unlike Flanders last year where he burned his team by twice chilling at the back and being caught out by splits in the peloton.

 

[scribers]

can there be an agreement among the supporters of my hype about Pog? If someone beats Pogacar in the next 4 years in a one-week or grand tour race, ban me immediately so that I can never write a single word again, agreed? 💯😘, I think that's fair 😉 from my side and strong enough to make you imagine what hurricane will soon follow

He made two blistering attacks around the poggio and dragged the team back into position into the cipressa. Covered attacks towards the finish. And outsprinted a large contingent. Definitely gets an A and was quite possibly the strongest in the race. Just wasn’t an enough this year. I wish he’d win it so he can stop riding it lol

 

[Tim Cahill]

Johan Buyneel legit getting his information from sh*tposters on the Pogacar thread on cyclingnews forum and trying to claim he has 'a source'.

Astounding, couldn't believe what I was hearing, as I'm listening to him speak I'm thinking hang on I've heard all of this information before.

 

[Froome]

Johan Buyneel legit getting his information from sh*tposters on the Pogacar thread on cyclingnews forum and trying to claim he has 'a source'.

Astounding, as I'm listening to him speak I'm thinking hang on I've heard all of this information before.

Johan bruyneel clearly got the information here, the FTP was the same mou said.

 

[mou]

Johan bruyneel clearly got the information here, the FTP was the same mou said.

and if you knew who @mou is, it wouldn't be good for you, I drew everything for you, added a little of my handwriting and spices to all that, and it's up to you to watch and enjoy the show that follows

 

[Purito1991]

Pleas give Pogacar a superteam for san remo in 2025. Im afraid he will never win this race in his career like Peter Sagan even if he is the strongest every year.

 

[Sciatic]

Pleas give Pogacar a superteam for san remo in 2025. Im afraid he will never win this race in his career like Peter Sagan even if he is the strongest every year.

McNulty would have been a help today if he he was in good form.

 

[Purito1991]

McNulty would have been a help today if he he was in good form.

The actually 7 best riders of uae for these races would be enough today. At thre Cipressa threre were only one rider, 3 other riders had to come back from the back of the field and were empty after this.
Just make a super hard pace from Cipressa on and he will finish it at the end.

 

[Froome]

and if you knew who @mou is, it wouldn't be good for you, I drew everything for you, added a little of my handwriting and spices to all that, and it's up to you to watch and enjoy the show that follows

Now seriously dude, i believe in your story, i believe on the information you have about Pogacar even if you messed up a bit with the "8.5 w/kg" thing, but i believe in the things you said like the FTP he have and other things. I already said today, that i expect a stronger Pogacar this year, and obviously he will win vuelta catalunya and the Giro( he will not have rivals against him).

Like i said, i believe in your story, i believe you know the data of Pogacar, even if you have a clear bias with pogacar, but everyone of us has a bias with our favourite rider.

Now, i'm going to tell you the other story that you really don't care, because it looks like you live in a bubble/cage. You can know everything about Pogacar, but you don't know for example anything about the data of Remco evenepoel, and how he can improve this year.

And even more important of them all. You don’t know anything about Vingegaard data. This is the main problem of your story. Other problem of your story is thinking the other riders will not also improve this year. Even Thomas is better with 36 years than he was with 32/33.

The peloton is getting faster year by year. Pogacar is not the only one who will get better this year, and i'm going to repeat you again. You don't know Vingegaard data and his physiological parameters, get out of your bubble, Pogacar doesn't ride alone, only Visma knows, and trust they know very well what to do to win the Tour again.

I talked seriously to you this time in the hope you have some real sense, and i hope if you answer me, you can talk to me in a serious and honest way, and not with that BS of an invincible ET who will win everything in the next 4 years.

You should had accepted bruynel invitation. It's a good oportunity for you.

 

[Savant12]

MSR: Easiest to race; hardest to win. I think Pog realizes this but he still gives it a go, which is why I really like him as a racer.

 

[AnotherArmChair]

I thought the issue today with UAE was positioning before the Cipressa and for that you do';t need a McNulty or a del Toro or a Hirshi

You need a Politt and a Majka

 

[scribers]

Johan Buyneel legit getting his information from sh*tposters on the Pogacar thread on cyclingnews forum and trying to claim he has 'a source'.

Astounding, couldn't believe what I was hearing, as I'm listening to him speak I'm thinking hang on I've heard all of this information before.

Haha! Bruyneel totally reads this forum. Quoting our guy @mou’s drops nearly word for word

 

[Karl Merckx]

So... mou is Johan Bruyneel !

 

[scribers]

Pleas give Pogacar a superteam for san remo in 2025. Im afraid he will never win this race in his career like Peter Sagan even if he is the strongest every year.

Lidl had a very strong squad and it showed at the cipressa base. It’s likely they were the ones who blocked out pogis train

 

[scribers]

So... mou is Johan Bruyneel !

And I’m lance Armstrong

 

[scribers]

Now seriously dude, i believe in your story, i believe on the information you have about Pogacar even if you messed up a bit with the "8.5 w/kg" thing, but i believe in the things you said like the FTP he have and other things. I already said today, that i expect a stronger Pogacar this year, and obviously he will win vuelta catalunya and the Giro( he will not have rivals against him).

Like i said, i believe in your story, i believe you know the data of Pogacar, even if you have a clear bias with pogacar, but everyone of us has a bias with our favourite rider.

Now, i'm going to tell you the other story that you really don't care, because it looks like you live in a bubble/cage. You can know everything about Pogacar, but you don't know for example anything about the data of Remco evenepoel, and how he can improve this year.

And even more important of them all. You don’t know anything about Vingegaard data. This is the main problem of your story. Other problem of your story is thinking the other riders will not also improve this year. Even Thomas is better with 36 years than he was with 32/33.

The peloton is getting faster year by year. Pogacar is not the only one who will get better this year, and i'm going to repeat you again. You don't know Vingegaard data and his physiological parameters, get out of your bubble, Pogacar doesn't ride alone, only Visma knows, and trust they know very well what to do to win the Tour again.

I talked seriously to you this time in the hope you have some real sense, and i hope if you answer me, you can talk to me in a serious and honest way, and not with that BS of an invincible ET who will win everything in the next 4 years.

You should had accepted bruynel invitation. It's a good oportunity for you.

But @mou ’s information is likely good and actual. And yours is just want you wan to believe. They are not the same thing. Talking about Vingo improving does not make it so

 

[pelotonIQ]

But @mou ’s information is likely good and actual.

Has mou ever backed up his claims by providing any sources? He gives 'trust me bro' vibes.

 

[scribers]

He was posting screenshots, photos. Posting enough detail that makes it believable. And I qualified it as likely. And @Froome accepts the disclosures as credible

 

[saunaking]

So... mou is Johan Bruyneel !

no wonder i love him

 

[scribers]

Oh and bruyneel accepts it. He knows everyone in cycling. Literally. He knows the people around pogi 💯

If you listen to bruyneel he said he doesn’t know the leak. But knows the person the leak came from. And was comfortable enough to let it out in podcast. Which is always newsworthy itself

 

[saunaking]

Has mou ever backed up his claims by providing any sources? He gives 'trust me bro' vibes.

This is out of hand. I missed his entrance onto the scene, do we need a mou thread?
Is he just some random dude that says he knows Teddy Pant's numbers?

 

[scribers]

And also to add bruyneel has said he would like to manage pogacar out of all of the rising stars. Including before his countryman remco (who I think he could actually transform).

But yeah I know I know. It won’t happen etc.

 

[tobydawq]

Pleas give Pogacar a superteam for san remo in 2025. Im afraid he will never win this race in his career like Peter Sagan even if he is the strongest every year.

The difference is that Sagan was also on paper the fastest of those who could expect to get over the Poggio in the front.

 

[tobydawq]

The actually 7 best riders of uae for these races would be enough today. At thre Cipressa threre were only one rider, 3 other riders had to come back from the back of the field and were empty after this.
Just make a super hard pace from Cipressa on and he will finish it at the end.

Covi should have just ridden slowly on the front until Hirschi, Del Toro and Wellens had joined him and Pog. Then they could have dropped the hammer. As it was, it was really inefficient because Del Toro had to spend a lot of his energy getting to the front and Hirschi never got there.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

The difference is that Sagan was also on paper the fastest of those who could expect to get over the Poggio in the front.

Yup. Pogi lacks an x-factor in MSR. His uphill explosivity is great but on such a shallow climb MVP can match or outpunch him. His descending is not bad in absolute terms but it's average compared to top MSR contenders. His sprinting is exceptional among stage racers but obviously not the best vs big boys. Winning MSR will be hard, even if he has a few seconds of advantage on the top of Poggio. After failing time and again one year he might succeed though. I'm sure he will race it many more times.