- Mar 20, 2022
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Ganna definitely went harder and wind played a role too. I think Pogi always controlled the situation. For some reason, he only lost 3 seconds in the second split.
- Feb 18, 2015
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I find it funny how everyone is talking about how "Mou was right". I guess he was, but saying he'd be far in front by now was a completely obvious prediction.
- Jul 4, 2016
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It's a cat and mou situation.
- Apr 11, 2024
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Great ITT performance today, one for the ages.
- Nov 6, 2023
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- Jun 24, 2014
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What exactly are you basing the statement that Pog's performance today was way below the level Vingegaard showed in last year's TDF on?
- Nov 6, 2023
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He did look normal not even breat hard and dying after the stage. 100% he didnt go all out during this TT , dont forget he is without altitude camp
- Oct 30, 2023
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Vingo ‘23 is the greatest ever human performance on a bicycle. Nothing pogi does will ever surpass that
- Jan 29, 2021
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Probably, because Pogacar himself said in a interview after the Tour France 2023, that he could never do the performance Vingegaard did on that day. He said he could do a little better, but in the best scenario he always would lose 1 minute. He himself said on that interview he can't do the numbers that Vingegaard produced on that day. So yeah, probably you are right.
It was Pogacar who said that in a interview.
This isn’t a knock on Pogacar at all, but I cannot remember a favorite facing such lackluster competition period, much less in the Giro during a double attempt, ignoring when riders crashed out. If Contador had faced this competition in 2011 or 2015, he might have won the double. 2018 Froome and Dumoulin had to face each other as the two best GT riders at the time, and a thermonuclear Simon Yates (until he popped).
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- May 14, 2011
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This . These gaps were created in a much shorter duration than today. Just 32 minutes.
Tour de France 2023 Stage 16 (ITT) results
Tour de France 2023 Stage 16 (ITT) from Passy to Combloux was won by Jonas Vingegaard before Tadej PogaÄar and Wout van Aert. Jonas Vingegaard was leading the general classification.
www.procyclingstats.com
- Apr 14, 2021
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Exactly. Everyone and their mother were able to predict Pog would have been way in front by now. The ultimate test of a true oracle is predicting altitude camps correctly instead of blaming Urska Zigart’s boyfriend’s girlfriend for one’s failed prophecies.
- Jun 24, 2014
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So no power or other data to compare the two rides? I'm not disagreeing I just think the statement seems a bit weak.This . These gaps were created in a much shorter duration than today. Just 32 minutes.
Tour de France 2023 Stage 16 (ITT) results
Tour de France 2023 Stage 16 (ITT) from Passy to Combloux was won by Jonas Vingegaard before Tadej PogaÄar and Wout van Aert. Jonas Vingegaard was leading the general classification.
So they have them at same overall power with Pogacar at 9% higher speed despite Ganna around 25% heavier, on a climb… sensationalism at its best. Pog was amazing but let’s not pretend he put out the same Watts.The last climb really shows the difference. But it will different in the second TT for sure, it's totally flat.
Ganna was not putting out 5.1W/kg LOL, I could do that.
- Jul 7, 2013
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We will see today what performance can Teddy produce and what is his true climbing level now. He should go all out on Prati di Tivo. Next weeks, not necessarily.
Then again, absolutely crushing the climb may not actually be that good regarding his Tour chances. Oropa and the TT didnt necessarily suggest absolute peak but we will know more after today.
Then again, absolutely crushing the climb may not actually be that good regarding his Tour chances. Oropa and the TT didnt necessarily suggest absolute peak but we will know more after today.
- Oct 30, 2023
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He’s probably thinking something closer to 4 minutes lead is safer
- Sep 17, 2020
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He shouldn’t attack today just follow.
He went deep yesterday. Going deep two days in row isn’t smart with the Tour in mind.
Take it as chill you can and let a breakaway go!
He went deep yesterday. Going deep two days in row isn’t smart with the Tour in mind.
Take it as chill you can and let a breakaway go!
- Jul 8, 2017
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On top of my head Ivan Basso 2005. Not sure if the stage he won was a MTF but I think.
- Aug 13, 2011
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He’s thinking of what Mou said and measuring the risk to reward.
Does Pog know how to ride conservatively or can he not tame the racer within?
- Mar 20, 2022
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This. Pogacar would have to win this TT by 1.30 minutes to come close.
- Feb 20, 2012
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He knows. People just completely ignore when he does.
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