Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Salvarani]

Let's make a big assumption here that the first two goals are met.

Should pogi rethink the Vuelta participation?

Nah, three GTs in a season for GC will never happen.

 

[Miha81]

One thing I was starting to wonder is, if Mercx GT stage win record might actually be achievable for him. Today puts Pogacar at 18 (equaling Peter Sagan btw) while Mercx has 64. So this is obviously a record he would have to achieve by extreme longevity, but if he can win around 4 stages per GT, he will "only" be about 11 GTs away after this Giro. If he starts doing multiple GTs per year I don't think that record is out of the question.

I think he does not care about the records. But he likes to win and if he starts riding double GT's every year this number is doable. It just depends if he will start with this as he just loves 1 day racing.

 

[scribers]

Can pogi gain and use some rollover minutes from the giro to the tour?

 

[SHAD0W93]

Great win by Pogacar and in a way keeps up his 3 stages a GT. Hopefully he rises to new heights at the Tour.

 

[scribers]

I think he does not care about the records. But he likes to win and if he starts riding double GT's every year this number is doable. It just depends if he will start with this as he just loves 1 day racing.

Oh yes he does care about records. He cares for the history of the sport

 

[Gigs_98]

I think he does not care about the records. But he likes to win and if he starts riding double GT's every year this number is doable. It just depends if he will start with this as he just loves 1 day racing.

I actually think Pogacar is the kind of rider who absolutely cares about records.

 

[wheresmybrakes]

Nah, three GTs in a season for GC will never happen.

Visma did it

 

[Salvarani]

Visma did it

But not with the same rider...

 

[Didinho]

He’s just afraid Bennett will overtake him in total wins this season.

 

[Miha81]

I actually think Pogacar is the kind of rider who absolutely cares about records.

OK. I always thought he cares more about winning different races and sensation of wins is "his fuel". Anyway he has a lot of work to do if he wants to chase all time greats and their records.

 

[Salvarani]

OK. I always thought he cares more about winning different races and sensation of wins is "his fuel". Anyway he has a lot of work to do if he wants to chase all time greats and their records.

Just winning a few of these races once will be enough.

 

[Netserk]

One thing I was starting to wonder is, if Mercx GT stage win record might actually be achievable for him. Today puts Pogacar at 18 (equaling Peter Sagan btw) while Mercx has 64. So this is obviously a record he would have to achieve by extreme longevity, but if he can win around 4 stages per GT, he will "only" be about 11 GTs away after this Giro. If he starts doing multiple GTs per year I don't think that record is out of the question.

I think double-digit GT wins is more achievable than 64 stages.

Cav had a run of 6-9-8-7-6-7 GT stage wins yearly, but peak year (or three) is not what makes or breaks such a record - it's a high tally season after season without exception. Pogi had only 2 last year, he can't afford similar years with the pace needed for 64 stage wins.

 

[Salvarani]

I think double-digit GT wins is more achievable than 64 stages.

Cav had a run of 6-9-8-7-6-7 GT stage wins yearly, but peak year (or three) is not what makes or breaks such a record - it's a high tally season after season without exception. Pogi had only 2 last year, he can't afford similar years with the pace needed for 64 stage wins.

Depends on how long he plans to race and if he will have a long career.

Cav has had long career but a few years where he won close to nothing, just for the discussion. Whats his average per season?

 

[Peyroteo94]

Who cares about stage wins. Just bring the double home!
I don't really like how bad the weather seems to be next week.

 

[Gigs_98]

I think double-digit GT wins is more achievable than 64 stages.

Cav had a run of 6-9-8-7-6-7 GT stage wins yearly, but peak year (or three) is not what makes or breaks such a record - it's a high tally season after season without exception. Pogi had only 2 last year, he can't afford similar years with the pace needed for 64 stage wins.

It strongly depends on how long Pogacars peak will be. If he starts to become worse in his early 30s he would have to keep up an insane pace. But it's possible for cyclists to be at their best until their late 30s so I don't think we can rule out that possibility. In lots of sports right now we see a lot of records fall solely due to atheletes longevity having improved a lot.

 

[scribers]

Nah, three GTs in a season for GC will never happen.

It can't if he doesn't try. All records can be broken. There are other reasons why it has not happened yet. Mainly because there was never a schedule that made sense for other great riders to try it.

 

[Salvarani]

Cavendish: 54 Wins in 18 seasons (starting in 2007) = 3 per season
Merckx: 64 Wins in 14 seasons = 4,6 per season
Pogacar: 18 Wins in 6 seasons = 3 per season

Thank you for that!

 

[Salvarani]

It can't if he doesn't try. All records can be broken. There are other reasons why it has not happened yet. Mainly because there was never a schedule that made sense for other great riders to try it.

It would be unbelievable and unheard of.

I dont think it would be wise and that it would potentially cause more damage. I dont think it is realistic or will/could ever happen.

It is more likely that you could do Tour-Vuelta, then the Giro the following year.

 

[Poursuivant]

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[Peyroteo94]

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@Red Rick this is arrogant and pure trolling, not saying Quintana attacks too late...

 

[scribers]

It would be unbelievable and unheard of.

I dont think it would be wise and that it would potentially cause more damage. I dont think it is realistic or will/could ever happen.

It is more likely that you could do Tour-Vuelta, then the Giro the following year.

I agree. It could be damaging physically. I am not sure what is going on with Kuss, but he doesn't look great so far this year and he did race 3 GT's last season.

 

[Red Rick]

It strongly depends on how long Pogacars peak will be. If he starts to become worse in his early 30s he would have to keep up an insane pace. But it's possible for cyclists to be at their best until their late 30s so I don't think we can rule out that possibility. In lots of sports right now we see a lot of records fall solely due to atheletes longevity having improved a lot.

Lot of pundits have said with how focused a pro has to be now they expect people to burn out, but I think theyre full of ***

Main determinant is as simple as the question if Pog is gonna do 2GTs every year

That said, long term projections in cycling seem way more volatile than in other sports

 

[QueenStagiaire]

@Red Rick this is arrogant and pure trolling, not saying Quintana attacks too late...

How is this arrogant, this is comedically conveying how much above his level Pogačar is, I see it as showing respect.

 

[Salvarani]

@Red Rick this is arrogant and pure trolling, not saying Quintana attacks too late...

He wont keep the same energy.

 

[Gigs_98]

Lot of pundits have said with how focused a pro has to be now they expect people to burn out, but I think theyre full of ***

Main determinant is as simple as the question if Pog is gonna do 2GTs every year

That said, long term projections in cycling seem way more volatile than in other sports

I agree and I don't think we are anywhere close to making a good prediction. Just noticed today that looking at the numbers, the record is at least on the table.