Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Krzysztof_O]

Been testing since 2022

It's a long process but all the data points are there. Teddy will overcome his kryptonite this year!

 

[Cookster15]

it looks like,if pog wants to beat vinge he needs to put better numbers,than pantani ever did on every mtn stage.thats insane.not one effort,but every mtn stage,lol.

It’s only stage 2. We still won’t be wiser after the Galibier tomorrow. Vingegaard lost quite a lot of training time recovering from his injuries. On grand tours that usually catches up with you the longer the race goes.

most fooked up thing about stage 2 was,when jonas looked less tired than pog.is this for real.lol

That isn’t the impression I got? Pog was looking across at Vingegaard who was chewing on his bars. If you are on the limit you don’t look anywhere but straight ahead. Anyway we know more on the Galibier but I don’t think we get the true picture until later in the Tour.

 

[Medvind]

So which is most likely: Pog fatigued in 3rd because of Giro or Vinge fatigued in 3rd week because of lack of preperation?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

So which is most likely: Pog fatigued in 3rd because of Giro or Vinge fatigued in 3rd week because of lack of preperation?

This is a good question. I think Vingo is more likely to pay harder for his rushed preparation at some point but Pog will likely feel the Giro effects as well.

 

[James M]

So which is most likely: Pog fatigued in 3rd because of Giro or Vinge fatigued in 3rd week because of lack of preperation?

Thats anyone guess as of right now. Uncharted area for both so anyone guess is properly the best answer, even themself.
Gonne be fun to see Pogacar and what Uae decide to do tomorrow hoping for action thats all I want.

 

[Extinction]

he seemed to be breathing with his nose during the attack seated so plausible it was far from a full on attack.

When you attack, you go full gas. Otherwise it's not an attack. When you go, you have to try to kill the others or it's a waste of time.

 

[scribers]

So which is most likely: Pog fatigued in 3rd because of Giro or Vinge fatigued in 3rd week because of lack of preperation?

I think the later. It’s already impossible what Vingo is doing. I would have liked to see pog keeping his time in check at the giro. Many unnecessary efforts

 

[Krzysztof_O]

When you attack, you go full gas. Otherwise it's not an attack. When you go, you have to try to kill the others or it's a waste of time.

Yes, the average of 7.9 w/kg is not too shabby as well and indicates superb uphill effort. To me the only drawback was that he didn't attack at least 100 meters earlier (when it was steeper).

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Been testing since 2022

And the test results last year came back and said that Pog could drop Vingegaard.

 

[Extinction]

Yes, the average of 7.9 w/kg is not too shabby as well and indicates superb uphill effort. To me the only drawback was that he didn't attack at least 100 meters earlier (when it was steeper).

Evidently he wasn't in a position to do so.

 

[yaf]

From cyclinguptodate:

Whilst Pogacar was unable to gap his main rival and saw the duo of Remco Evenepoel and Richard Carapaz regain contact by the finish line, UAE Team Emirates' team boss Joxean Matxin is not concerned, insisting the Pogacar's move was far from full gas from the Slovenian. "The intention was to test all the rivals to understand the level of the different riders," explains Matxin in conversation with Cyclism'Actu.

Far from? Mind games or the truth?

"The intention was to test" - Joxean Matxin insists Tadej Pogacar's stage 2 attack at Tour de France was not full gas

Stage 2 of the 2024 Tour de France brought with it the first showing of the general classification riders, with Tadej Pogacar launching a brutal attack on the San Luca, with only the reigning Tour de...

cyclinguptodate.com

For sure yesterday's stage wont tell the truth. the moment of truth are always in the high mountains
If i recall correctly last year pog was almost comfortable on stage1&2 even he looked impressive when the two went away on stage 2 gapping all their rivals but when he was tested on marie blanque we knew his shape wasn't good. I think pog will drop jonas tomorrow but with the descent jonas could come back.

 

[hayneplane]

gu

The team gets to rest until the lead up to the Galibier. At minimum they don’t have to chase down breaks and such. As if EF will either

Giving away the jersey has gained them an ally as EF are definitely an ‘honour the jersey’ type of team but I still expect UAE to be every bit as hyper vigilant as they would have been with Pogacar in Yellow.

 

[Medvind]

When you attack, you go full gas. Otherwise it's not an attack. When you go, you have to try to kill the others or it's a waste of time.

Absolutely sure is was a proper attack, have watched it a couple of times and Pog goes hard, Carapaz and the rest were distanced by 10s just like that.

Guess some Pogi fans get a bit nervous that Vinge could follow and to feel better and more hopeful they come up with the reason that it was not a full on attack.

I thought in was an impressive attack by Pog, showing he is in really good shape.

 

[James M]

Absolutely sure is was a proper attack, have watched it a couple of times and Pog goes hard, Carapaz and the rest were distanced by 10s just like that.

Guess some Pogi fans get a bit nervous that Vinge could follow and to feel better and more hopeful they come up with the reason that it was not a full on attack.

I thought in was an impressive attack by Pog, showing he is in really good shape.

I dont come up with any thing not a Pogi stan either. But I simply just reacted from what was said and plausible to look like that too considering it was a attack at the top? Im not claiming it wasnt a full on attack at all just saying it is plausible. It can very well be that it was that we will see sooner rather than later anyway

 

[Cookster15]

I think the later. It’s already impossible what Vingo is doing. I would have liked to see pog keeping his time in check at the giro. Many unnecessary efforts

I think Pog did restrain himself on multiple occasions in the Giro. eg stage 7 TT only exploded on the final climb, stage 8 Prati Di Tivo, rode in with GC group and won the sprint, stage 6 (sterrato stage), didn’t try to win the stage as many predicted. He picked his moments, the 10 minute gap equally reflective of the lower level of rivals.

 

[scribers]

The matxin message was for team visma more than fans. What’s the point otherwise?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I think Pog did restrain himself on multiple occasions in the Giro. eg stage 7 TT only exploded on the final climb, stage 8 Prati Di Tivo, rode in with GC group and won the sprint, stage 6 (sterrato stage), didn’t try to win the stage as many predicted. He picked his moments, the 10 minute gap equally reflective of the lower level of rivals.

Agreed about Prati di Tivo but he still fired a lot of efforts (some of them not needed given his advantage). Stage 7 ITT was full gas in the last 30 minutes or so (between T1 and T2 he almost matched Ganna on flat), only until the first check point he intentionally held back.

 

[Medvind]

I think Pog did restrain himself on multiple occasions in the Giro. eg stage 7 TT only exploded on the final climb, stage 8 Prati Di Tivo, rode in with GC group and won the sprint, stage 6 (sterrato stage), didn’t try to win the stage as many predicted. He picked his moments, the 10 minute gap equally reflective of the lower level of rivals.

Winning with over 2 minutes on Monte Grappa stage (20), was that really necessary? I know he wanted to win the stage but got the feeling he did more than he needed. But in some regard I agree with you, a little bit more restrained than usual.

 

[Cookster15]

Agreed with Prati di Tivo but he still fired a lot of efforts (some of them not needed given his advantage). Stage 7 ITT was full gas in the last 30 minutes or so (between T1 and T2 he almost matched Ganna on flat), only until the first check point he intentionally held back.

Yeh, but what I recall in this Forum were many writing off Pog in that TT before the final climb. So I think he was holding back on the flat - maybe that was before the first time check. But relative to how Pog usually rides I think he was restrained and picked his moments.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Yeh, but what I recall in this Forum were many writing off Pog in that TT before the final climb. So I think he was holding back on the flat - maybe that was before the first time check. But relative to how Pog usually rides I think he was restrained and picked his moments.

In the first 18.5 km Pogacar lost 44 seconds to Ganna. It looked badly.
In the next 15 flat km Pogacar lost barely 3 seconds to Ganna and jumped from 10th to 3rd. It indicated a possible turn-around at the end. The power was there.
And then on the uphill, boom!

 

[scribers]

gu

Giving away the jersey has gained them an ally as EF are definitely an ‘honour the jersey’ type of team but I still expect UAE to be every bit as hyper vigilant as they would have been with Pogacar in Yellow.

Hincapie saying in the daily podcast this stage profile is an absolute nightmare for the yellow jersey team to control out of the gate

 

[James M]

Winning with over 2 minutes on Monte Grappa stage (20), was that really necessary? I know he wanted to win the stage but got the feeling he did more than he needed. But in some regard I agree with you, a little bit more restrained than usual.

Agree. Also didnt feel it was needed to win by 10min overall even if he restrained himself but he might be just that good.

 

[Medvind]

Agree. Also didnt feel it was needed to win by 10min overall even if he restrained himself but he might be just that good.

He loves to dominate. We already know he is dominant, but he wants to show us again and again. If he will pay for it in the tour remains to be seen. And of course the Giro organizers expected a Pogi show and maybe he felt a need to give it - in abundance.

 

[danielovichdk2]

Pog is a legend. Nothing can be taken away from him. What a great athlete

 

[Salvarani]

How people don't realise UAE always talk the biggest possible game is beyond me.

Isnt that what they are supposed to do? Not to even go into the obvious answer of it being entertainment and for the commercial reasons. The reporting of the race, each and every day.

Saying anything less would be seen as a weakness right now and throwing caution to the wind. Lets not act like you would not be the first person to analyze and say that they are nervous or scared or anything else you can come up with. However, since it is the opposite, UAE are the big mouths or arrogant. When it is just basic communication in a battle of a race like this is.

Like not every team talks a big game, that it is only UAE.

Have a go at people, but dont be surprised if you get called out for it.

Like how some people are so fixated on always talking down on a team and a rider is beyond me...