Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

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How difficult it is to achieve what Tadej has done can be perhaps grasped by looking back a bit.

It is the beginning of March, first race, the Strade Bianche.
There are 14 winners of Strade in history (since 2007) and they are big names. Only two (at the time) are multiple winners, Kwiatkowski and Cancellara.
You appear on the start of your first race of the season. Do you say to yourself "I'll do this race and ease myself into the rhythm, no pressure, I have big plans (the Tour) later in the season" or do you attack with 80+kms to go because deep inside you want to win this race, then Catalunya, Liege, the Giro, the Tour, Montreal, become the World Champion and then conclude with Emilia, Varesine and Lombardia?

You are at the start of Strade. There is Pidcock, Mohorič, Laporte, Hirschi, Wellens, .. In order for your Grand Plan to work, you must not start losing right now, but winning. Even winning this one race for mere mortals is near impossible, let alone making you a famous cyclist in your country.
But then on the start of Liege you will have to face Van Der Poel. And then do the improbable and win the Giro on your first try.
And if you succeed in all that improbability, you're merely at the start.

You have to appear at the greatest race of all, the mighty Tour, facing your ultimate nemesis Vingegaard who cracked you two times already. Many saying you will never win another Tour again. And at the same time do the impossible mythical "double" that has been achieved only a couple of times in the stange black and white days of past, sometimes under suspicious circumstances.
And then, then you plan to also become the World Champion.

Seems like a great PCM campaign, trying some new cheat codes you got from a friend. Seems like a game.

And this is not enough for you. Denying the existence of reality you use the Force and improvise the greatest escape in history of World Championships to put an exclamation point on your rainbow yersey.

Of course, this is not some grand 5-year plan or a career tick-off, this is what you intend to do in the next 7 months.
And it all starts on one crazy Saturday in March.

After 200 kilometers of racing, you are tired. The second flat tire has really done you in. There is a group uproad, some 15 minutes in front, that's probably going to battle it out for the glory. You decide not to waste this beautiful day on too much stress and wave to your team car for another drink.
 
TT is not the big either imo. Looked at the circuit for WC next year and he will be huge fav again yeah.

Is Pcm22 a game like fm or something? didnt even know it existed but now i dont play any games at all. Lets hope he retires in 2036 then:sweatsmile: He has spoiled us all tbh, how can watch cycling now, every race he is not in you just know it would be different and a level up if he is there.
The procycling Manager series. Just like Football Manager. But better obviously.
 
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It's the perfect opportunity for a double WC. He will be clearly the number one favourite for both races and after seeing 2024 Zurich road race, I can see him destroying the field in Kigali with 90 km to the finish line
Depends a bit on his schedule. Obviously if he prepares like he did this year, he's the biggest favourite, BUT he's going for a different double next year. TDF + Vuelta.

Just like he said this year that he was very tired after Giro + TDF, I would expect something similar next year. Even more so if Vingegaard is also going for the TDF + Vuelta double.

Basically everything comes down to the big 4 GT rider's schedule to see how hard the season will be, which will impact his chances in the WC.
 
Depends a bit on his schedule. Obviously if he prepares like he did this year, he's the biggest favourite, BUT he's going for a different double next year. TDF + Vuelta.

Just like he said this year that he was very tired after Giro + TDF, I would expect something similar next year. Even more so if Vingegaard is also going for the TDF + Vuelta double.

Basically everything comes down to the big 4 GT rider's schedule to see how hard the season will be, which will impact his chances in the WC.

Is it confirmed that Pog is doing the Vuelta? Maybe he will have a more standard one-GT schedule or decide to repeat Giro-Tour? Obviously WC shortly after the Tour + Vuelta combo can create fatigue (the way he was fatigued at Glasgow) but maybe he can still keep enough form for a one-day intense race (after 2 week rest).
 
Is it confirmed that Pog is doing the Vuelta? Maybe he will have a more standard one-GT schedule or decide to repeat Giro-Tour? Obviously WC shortly after the Tour + Vuelta combo can create fatigue (the way he was fatigued at Glasgow) but maybe he can still keep enough form for a one-day intense race (after 2 week rest).
Nothing is confirmed yet. It’ll take a couple of months before we’ll know officially. These are rumours.
 
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Is it confirmed that Pog is doing the Vuelta? Maybe he will have a more standard one-GT schedule or decide to repeat Giro-Tour? Obviously WC shortly after the Tour + Vuelta combo can create fatigue (the way he was fatigued at Glasgow) but maybe he can still keep enough form for a one-day intense race (after 2 week rest).
I think he might only do Tour + Worlds. Then a break.

He will go for Dauphine next season before the Tour.

No Giro or Vuelta.
 
Well, some Vuelta riders did quite good here. O'Connor, Mas, Adria
If he wouldn't do the TDF, and only the Vuelta, I would agree. It's also how Evenepoel won is WC, after the Vuelta.

But I'm talking about the fatigue after such a long period. O'Connor and Adria didn't ride the TDF, and while Mas did he also finished 19th, so it was more as a build up to Vuelta.

He might approach the Vuelta like he did the Giro though, and no one else of the big 4 GT riders is riding the Vuelta he can take it easy, and use that extra energy for the WC.
 
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I think he might only do Tour + Worlds. Then a break.

He will go for Dauphine next season before the Tour.

No Giro or Vuelta.
Very possible.

For now I guess all is on the table, they'll evaluate a few weeks after Lombardia and run down every ounce of data they have about his fitness levels throughout the year and asses how to proceed. They'll probably have some season suggestions lined up for him and have a long talk.
Typically athletes are less focused on long term planning than the fans are, they have to focus on what's in front of them, so I am not even sure Pogi has more than a rough idea of what he wants to do next season.

Pogi want's to win all the big races, but even he can't peak for everything.

I am sure however that his goals next season will be spectacular in some way. It's wild we already forgot that a TdF contender is not supposed to win a race like RVV.
 
If Pog wins Lombardy #4 this year then winning 7 of them will be quite realistic. He still needs to get it done OFC.



Coppi won Lombardia 4 times in a row actually.
It would be a far bigger achievement to win 4 in a row in the 2020s than in Coppi era.

Between 1931 and 1950 only 3 different nations won monuments. Starting just from 2020 even with the incredible dominance of Pogacar and MVDP 6 different nations have won a monument.
 
It would be a far bigger achievement to win 4 in a row in the 2020s than in Coppi era.

Between 1931 and 1950 only 3 different nations won monuments. Starting just from 2020 even with the incredible dominance of Pogacar and MVDP 6 different nations have won a monument.

Yes. It seems that Lombardia is like Pogi's home race. He can win it uphill, he can win it in a sprint and he can even win it after downhill attack (last year). It's really hard to find a way to beat him there. Let's see if this year he can continue the streak, he's the favourite OFC.
 
Yes. It seems that Lombardia is like Pogi's home race. He can win it uphill, he can win it in a sprint and he can even win it after downhill attack (last year). It's really hard to find a way to beat him there. Let's see if this year he can continue the streak, he's the favourite OFC.

Traditionally it is the most hilly/mountainous of the monuments so naturally where he is strongest. It is difficult to see who beats him given the strength of his team and form, but always possible.
 
Yes. It seems that Lombardia is like Pogi's home race. He can win it uphill, he can win it in a sprint and he can even win it after downhill attack (last year). It's really hard to find a way to beat him there. Let's see if this year he can continue the streak, he's the favourite OFC.
Only Mas can follow him if Pogacar isn't at his best. I don't know if he is partying too much.
 
Very possible.

For now I guess all is on the table, they'll evaluate a few weeks after Lombardia and run down every ounce of data they have about his fitness levels throughout the year and asses how to proceed. They'll probably have some season suggestions lined up for him and have a long talk.
Typically athletes are less focused on long term planning than the fans are, they have to focus on what's in front of them, so I am not even sure Pogi has more than a rough idea of what he wants to do next season.

Pogi want's to win all the big races, but even he can't peak for everything.

I am sure however that his goals next season will be spectacular in some way. It's wild we already forgot that a TdF contender is not supposed to win a race like RVV.
He said Vuelta and Tour Down Under are races he is looking forward.
 
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