Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Scarponi]

If he wins the Tour/Veulta double do you think he would ever go for the Giro/Veulta to get the set? Missing the TDF would be a huge sacrifice

 

[scribers]

I can’t imagine that’s a goal. If anything he will quietly toy with the treble after setting up an annual giro/tour double schedule

 

[Bolder]

Uae tour i think was not his plan but the arabs demand for the world champion riding in their team to be present on their most important race

That's a reasonable demand

 

[RedheadDane]

That's a reasonable demand

Is it?
What do the sponsors want?
Having him show the jersey on the biggest stage all over the world?
Or having him show the jersey in their own national race where - for him - a win is going to be so insignificant that people are going to forget about it very soon?

 

[yaf]

I'm playing the objective truth game. Not everything is zero-sum partisan conflict.

I don't think it's good to have a discussion based on false premises. Call Vingegaard arrogant as much as you please, but base it on something real.

Vingegaard e Pogacar, quarto controllo antidoping in 48 ore al Tour

Il danese aveva chiesto «sana diffidenza», è stato accontentato. Pogacar è crollato sul Col de la Loze, l’analisi del rivale che ha vinto il Tour: «Mi ha attaccato per 15 giorni, chi scatta troppo è insicuro, spende molto e alla fine paga»

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Whats being objective and being subjective when multiple medias are reporting it?
Even ving wouldn't argue on it & u think the🐐 didn't read it😁 In 10 years time ving will look back on his career and say what have i done to myself😒 Awakened the beast and ruined my career. I just hope pog doesn't chase him wherever he goes

 

[tobydawq]

Why are you playing the defense game for him? The entire team had been saying it the last 4 years. From their race director grischa niermann(last years tour) to their media outlet lantern rouge with the later even saying "thomas would cook pog" on livigno stage🤨. They were so blinded with their previous data & the boss showed them indefinable data so they're humble now

There is no way Vingegaard has said that.

 

[Netserk]

After some digging, I believe his original, untranslated, quote was:

“It comes from believing in our own strengths and abilities,” Vingegaard said of his prediction. “Either that or that Tadej would be so much stronger at one point that he would gap me. When you always go on the attack, you make yourself vulnerable and it’s kind of easy for the other one to make a bigger difference."

Jonas Vingegaard: I don't take anything I would not give to my daughter

Dane virtually seals second Tour de France victory with exhibition on Col de la Loze

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Do you think the Italian and Spanish translations of that (translated back to English again) accurately shows how arrogant he was?

 

[Oldermanish]

Is it?
What do the sponsors want?
Having him show the jersey on the biggest stage all over the world?
Or having him show the jersey in their own national race where - for him - a win is going to be so insignificant that people are going to forget about it very soon?

Most sponsors want the jersey exposure everywhere.

While common sporting sense would suggest a very early season race wouldn't be the venue to trot out the expected '25 Tour winner he does ride in the Rainbow jersey. If you also include the cultural and business emphasis middle Eastern oil wealth places on conspicuous business; what better way to show your supremacy than compelling the most famous cyclist to show up when it doesn't make sense? It's demonstrative ownership over another continent's sport, like football. He doesn't need to win as long as another UAE rider benefits from his assistance and does win. It's about media optics in their world; not yours.

 

[AmRacer]

Maybe Pogi wants to do a Froomey, Tour- Vuelta-Giro.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Twitter is a cesspool nowadays. Quotes from random anonymous accounts are almost always just engagement bait.

 

[yaf]

After some digging, I believe his original, untranslated, quote was:

“It comes from believing in our own strengths and abilities,” Vingegaard said of his prediction. “Either that or that Tadej would be so much stronger at one point that he would gap me. When you always go on the attack, you make yourself vulnerable and it’s kind of easy for the other one to make a bigger difference."

Jonas Vingegaard: I don't take anything I would not give to my daughter

Dane virtually seals second Tour de France victory with exhibition on Col de la Loze

www.cyclingnews.com

Do you think the Italian and Spanish translations of that (translated back to English again) accurately shows how arrogant he was?

Either way you put it, it didnt prevent them from being on pogis blacklist as per polit😉

 

[Lequack]

Twitter is a cesspool nowadays. Quotes from random anonymous accounts are almost always just engagement bait.

Still, it's nice to find nice tidbits like this once in a while.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1847294127513243940

View: https://twitter.com/combaudouo/status/1847294127513243940

 

[Netserk]

Either way you put it, it didnt prevent them from being on pogis blacklist as per polit😉

Yeah, it's pretty clear that you are uninterested in what Vingegaard actually said.

 

[Salvarani]

Yeah, it's pretty clear that you are uninterested in what Vingegaard actually said.

Still him and Visma are arrogant.

 

[Salvarani]

Either way you put it, it didnt prevent them from being on pogis blacklist as per polit😉

Yup, both him and Visma are still very arrogant.

 

[Bolder]

Is it?
What do the sponsors want?
Having him show the jersey on the biggest stage all over the world?
Or having him show the jersey in their own national race where - for him - a win is going to be so insignificant that people are going to forget about it very soon?

With him they can have it both ways.

 

[hayneplane]

UAE Tour is not ridiculously early in the season like starting in TDU could be. It might however require sacrificing any other stage racing prior to Giro or Dauphine. Thus he could save race days and stil do a big classics program.

 

[Lequack]

UAE Tour could do with either making the race shorter, no one needs 7 sprint stages in a row. Or at least make better parcours, like the Hatta Dam and similar to spice things up. Also with so many sprint teams it makes for a dangerous race, do they really want to risk that?

 

[Red Rick]

I disagree.

Make UAE the 4th grand tour, but with 17 sprint stages, Hatta dam, Jebel Jais, Jebel Hafeet and a short 12km TT.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Looks like reigning Tour winners have one thing in common. They grow polo neck.

 

[Peyroteo94]

UAE Tour is not ridiculously early in the season like starting in TDU could be. It might however require sacrificing any other stage racing prior to Giro or Dauphine. Thus he could save race days and stil do a big classics program.

It's still pointless and a waste of time. 10-12 days are wasted just to race UAE Tour.

 

[sam6]

UAE Tour is not ridiculously early in the season like starting in TDU could be. It might however require sacrificing any other stage racing prior to Giro or Dauphine. Thus he could save race days and stil do a big classics program.

If he is doing Flanders and Liege nothing really fits. The Basque country is the week after Flanders and Romandie is the week after Liege. He'd be better off doing E3 and Dwars than Catalunya and Paris Nice or Tirreno would be quite tight between MSR and Strade. I suspect his schedule will be something like

UAE Tour
Strade
MSR
E3
Flanders
Amstel
Fleche
Liege
Dauphine
Tour
Vuelta
Worlds ITT + RR
Emilia + TVV + Lombardia

 

[hayneplane]

It's still pointless and a waste of time. 10-12 days are wasted just to race UAE Tour.

I agree that it is pointless but UAE have put a lot of money in and want to show off the rainbow bands in their biggest race.

Hopefully he can get an agreement that this is the last time he has to race there.

 

[scribers]

If I had to pick an early one week stage race it might as well be UAE (is it a week?). He’s won the others.

 

[yaco]

Of course Pogacar will go to the UAE Tour as it is the second most important race for the team after the TDF. Pogacar is versatile enough to then frame a suitable program.