Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Peyroteo94]

Bilbao is also saying Pogacar’s dominance may not be good to cycling.
It is clearly peloton is resigned to lose to Pogacar when he is racing. Of course I can understand this feeling but they can't lose a race before the race has even started.

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[pelotonIQ]

The consensus right now is that Pogacar is better than Vingegaard but out of all teams Vingegaard could be in, Team-Visma gives him the best chances of winning. They have a detail for marginal gains and are tactically creative coming up with ideas always having something up their sleeve to best Pogacar. They keep evertyhing secret including wether Vingegaard has improved or not and so who knows what happens come TdF.

 

[James M]

You don't lose 10s on explosivity if you're aerobically at the same level. The main gap last year was just threshold W/kg. That's why you'd see Vingegaard first respond to Pogacar's attack, keep the gap small, and then explode whenever he responded.

Like weve seen every single person who try to keep his pace does, they completely blow up,in every race..

For Tour and all races, its not like the last two kms he decided calculated to do it either, its deliberately from far out and seemingly whenever he wants, which is just as frightening thinking about it for everyone else.

 

[tobydawq]

Given that he didn't ride UAE Tour last year, he now added further to his ridiculous CQ score which now stands at 5648. He will lose more than 500 points from Catalunya (which in itself is ridiculous) but with E3, GW, De Ronde, AGR and FW or PR instead of the latter two, there should be ample opportunity to increase the number even further in the next two months.

 

[James M]

Seemed easypeasy. Was never in any trouble/limit, hard to assess anything more than that really from this race when he never pushed all out(uphill). Now real season can begin.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Given that he didn't ride UAE Tour last year, he now added further to his ridiculous CQ score which now stands at 5648. He will lose more than 500 points from Catalunya (which in itself is ridiculous) but with E3, GW, De Ronde, AGR and FW or PR instead of the latter two, there should be ample opportunity to increase the number even further in the next two months.

He is almost in the all time top10 in PCS. These classics will give him a lot of points and by the end of the season, he will be close to Anquetil. This at 27 years old. Absurd stuff!

 

[Peyroteo94]

Seemed easypeasy. Was never in any trouble/limit, hard to assess anything more than that really from this race when he never pushed all out(uphill). Now real season can begin.

His attack on Jebel Hafeet was incredible. I didn't realize how long it was until I saw the highlights. More than 30 seconds of sheer power out of the saddle against a 25-30 kph headwind.

 

[Tanakka]

The consensus right now is that Pogacar is better than Vingegaard but out of all teams Vingegaard could be in, Team-Visma gives him the best chances of winning. They have a detail for marginal gains and are tactically creative coming up with ideas always having something up their sleeve to best Pogacar. They keep evertyhing secret including wether Vingegaard has improved or not and so who knows what happens come TdF.

Yeah, perhaps, but a way bigger factor in the equation is supposed to be the simple fact that Pogi runs:
SB - Sanremo - E3 - GW - Flanders - Amstel - Wallone - LBL -

Vingegaard only does the same old one week 'stage races' that nobody really cares about - or at least don't matter that much once you already have won multiple TdF.
Volta ao Algarve - Paris-Nice - Volta Ciclista a Catalunya - Critérium du Dauphiné
All in preparation for the TdF.

That's not a matter of details, marginal gains; it's something as big as a whale in modern cycling.

 

[Rasto]

Tadej training on this new *** bike i dont like it maybe only for sanremo no?

 

[Tanakka]

Given that he didn't ride UAE Tour last year, he now added further to his ridiculous CQ score which now stands at 5648. He will lose more than 500 points from Catalunya (which in itself is ridiculous) but with E3, GW, De Ronde, AGR and FW or PR instead of the latter two, there should be ample opportunity to increase the number even further in the next two months.

Weeks as #1 since inception (Jan 2016):

- Pogacar: 188 weeks (and running)
- all the rest combined: 269 weeks

 

[Peyroteo94]

Weeks as #1 since inception (Jan 2016):

- Pogacar: 188 weeks (and running)
- all the rest combined: 269 weeks

Insane stuff! In 2 years he will surpass 269 weeks

 

[Red Rick]

Weeks as #1 since inception (Jan 2016):

- Pogacar: 188 weeks (and running)
- all the rest combined: 269 weeks

The ****'s a Jason Christie

 

[Peyroteo94]

The ****'s a Jason Christie

Yeah, had the same reaction. How did he lead this statistic?

 

[RedheadDane]

I think a much more important question is:
What have they got against the number 10?

 

[QueenStagiaire]

I think a much more important question is:
What have they got against the number 10?

That‘s just how it is when you‘ve got two people in 9th place.




Jason Christie was the 2016 NZ national champion, which was a very timely win for this statistic.

 

[Peyroteo94]

That‘s just how it is when you‘ve got two people in 9th place.




Jason Christie was the 2016 NZ national champion, which was a very timely win for this statistic.

And Simon Gerrans spent 7 weeks in the first place. Mind blowing!

 

[YavorD]

And Simon Gerrans spent 7 weeks in the first place. Mind blowing!

No, not really. That's the most expected thing actually.

Gerrans was a monster in TdU and TdU winner is always number 1 for at least 5 weeks.

 

[hayneplane]

Weeks as #1 since inception (Jan 2016):

- Pogacar: 188 weeks (and running)
- all the rest combined: 269 weeks

What are the numbers starting only from Pogacars neopro year with UAE.

 

[Peyroteo94]

No, not really. That's the most expected thing actually.

Gerrans was a monster in TdU and TdU winner is always number 1 for at least 5 weeks.

Yes but you have to count the previous year too. Pogacar is always leading because he has a lot of points in the year before

 

[YavorD]

Yes but you have to count the previous year too. Pogacar is always leading because he has a lot of points in the year before

But it should start from some point.
And starting from a point in the middle of the last decade makes it perfectly normal that Gerrans leads in the beginning.

 

[Peyroteo94]

But it should start from some point.
And starting from a point in the middle of the last decade makes it perfectly normal that Gerrans leads in the beginning.

Gerrans is such an overachiever.
2010-2018 was clearly the dark era of cycling. Era full of uphill sprinters like Martin, Gerrans, Valverde, Purito (hilly classics) and Sky dominating GTs with an ultra boring and defensive train.
Gerrans ended his career with 2 monuments wins, incredible how routes of hilly classics were tailormade for an uphill sprint

 

[YavorD]

Gerrans is such an overachiever.
2010-2018 was clearly the dark era of cycling. Era full of uphill sprinters like Martin, Gerrans, Valverde, Purito (hilly classics) and Sky dominating GTs with an ultra boring and defensive train.
Gerrand ended his career with 2 monuments wins, incredible how routes of hilly classics were tailormade for an uphill sprint

I don't know honestly.
Visma suffocating GTs in 2023 (and the Vuelta in particular) and Pogacar destroying every race in 2024 wasn't much fun either.

Honestly 2024 should be very low in terns of level of fun in the biggest races, lower than many of the years in the "dark era".

I do agree about Gerrans though.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I don't know honestly.
Visma suffocating GTs in 2023 (and the Vuelta in particular) and Pogacar destroying every race in 2024 wasn't much fun either.

Honestly 2024 should be very low in terns of level of fun in the biggest races, lower than many of the years in the "dark era".

I do agree about Gerrans though.

Tour and Ardennes were so bad for years. And they decided to bring back Cauberg as the last climb of AGR. Dreadful decision. I just hope they don't go back to the previous LBL route.

 

[Shortcut]

I really want to know how would be possible in same time having GOAT rider but also "fun" cycling for everyone. I mean if you want to win 12 GTs, 20 Monuments, 3-4 WCs and other small races at least one time, you must be really really dominant for a decade or more. And because you never know how long you will be at your best or not injured you need to do it ASAP. Also you need to make your teammates happy and somehow also opponents. You shouldn't win with long attacks or waiting until uphill finish and also if there is third option you shouldn't win it because it is too dominant or joke.

 

[RedheadDane]

That‘s just how it is when you‘ve got two people in 9th place.

I will admit, I wasn't really looking at the "Weeks" column, only the "rank" column.