Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[scribers]

Comparatively I think Alpecin had the best team support. But they really had two favorites. Visma was kinda around to support wva, but wasn’t a king maker. Lidl did decent but couldn’t help pedersen a lot when the *** hit the fan. Florian did okay considering the wrecking ball pogi was ahead of him. The best he could do was stalk the best of the rest and that means something when someone is sitting on your wheel for 100k. Would have liked to see him steal that podium spot however. Must have been cooked.

 

[Cycling111]

Comparatively I think Alpecin had the best team support. But they really had two favorites. Visma was kinda around to support wva, but wasn’t a king maker. Lidl did decent but couldn’t help pedersen a lot when the *** hit the fan. Florian did okay considering the wrecking ball pogi was ahead of him. The best he could do was stalk the best of the rest and that means something when someone is sitting on your wheel for 100k. Would have liked to see him steal that podium spot however. Must have been cooked.

Pogacar was completely alone. He didn't even have basic support before Arenberg. From Arenberg, he was alone against two Alpecins, even though Vermeersch was there, he never helped him.
VDP and Philipsen made four attacks in duo. Nothing would have changed, but it's terrible that in his debut , they left him alone.
UAE signs many good riders to minor races, but the important thing is to be supported in the ones where he isn´t the favoritte. Why does Pog need a mega-team at the UAE Tour or Strade? Or Lombardia. He could win them with half team.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Worse team help than today impossible .
If he has been able to control Roubaix without a team... all he need to do is destroy it like Hinault did at Sallanches and they'll finish one on one.
The Swiss route had less gradient; the Rwanda route , while not as hard as Sallanches,
is enough for a similar scenario

Pog likes to ride in the front. He doesn't need teammates for that. However, in MSR he needs at least 2 teammates to kill Cipressa.

 

[Peyroteo94]

5? No way can even Pog get from 8 monuments won to 5 monuments won in just 5 short years, alpha dog or not…

Sorry but I didn't understand

 

[scribers]

It was mentioned elsewhere how hard it is to maintain position at the front of the peloton at all times. the reason pogi is there without teammates is because he is exceptionally strong. Same with the guys around him and whatever rider support they might have enjoyed. Fortunes in these races also translate to support riders. Things happened to them in terms of mechanicals and crashes.

 

[Peyroteo94]

It was mentioned elsewhere how hard it is to maintain position at the front of the peloton at all times. the reason pogi is there without teammates is because he is exceptionally strong. Same with the guys around him and whatever rider support they might have enjoyed. Fortunes in these races also translate to support riders. Things happened to them in terms of mechanicals and crashes.

But he always is in the front. This is why he normally doesn't have setbacks with crashes

 

[Shortcut]

I don’t think Pogačar was meant to be the absolute team leader today like he usually is in other races. No one expected him to be that much better at positioning. It was truly fascinating how he gained 10–15 places in just a couple of corners. The team probably thought that at least in this aspect they were close to his level, but he gave them another lesson today. I’m so proud of Tadej — I haven’t felt this satisfied in a long time, even though he didn’t win.
At this point, we can honestly say that if it weren’t for MvDP, Pogi would have four more Monuments (2x MSR, 1x P-R, and 1x RVV). Still, he showed today that he’s more than capable, and that was the most important thing for me. I hope he skips Amstel and Flèche — the only thing that matters now is winning LBL.

 

[JoãoRamos]

But you have no issue with Pogacar cheating earlier in the race.

The rule says they can't get feed at the end of the race. They got caught, they had to pay 1000 CHF for that. Just read the rules my friend about feeding.

 

[JoãoRamos]

I don’t think Pogačar was meant to be the absolute team leader today like he usually is in other races. No one expected him to be that much better at positioning. It was truly fascinating how he gained 10–15 places in just a couple of corners. The team probably thought that at least in this aspect they were close to his level, but he gave them another lesson today. I’m so proud of Tadej — I haven’t felt this satisfied in a long time, even though he didn’t win.
At this point, we can honestly say that if it weren’t for MvDP, Pogi would have four more Monuments (2x MSR, 1x P-R, and 1x RVV). Still, he showed today that he’s more than capable, and that was the most important thing for me. I hope he skips Amstel and Flèche — the only thing that matters now is winning LBL.

Right now, I think he should go and ride them all and get the Ardennes triple.

Slay them all.

 

[scribers]

But he always is in the front. This is why he normally doesn't have setbacks with crashes

He sits in the 5th position a lot and no one can move him off of it.

 

[Cycling111]

It was mentioned elsewhere how hard it is to maintain position at the front of the peloton at all times. the reason pogi is there without teammates is because he is exceptionally strong. Same with the guys around him and whatever rider support they might have enjoyed. Fortunes in these races also translate to support riders. Things happened to them in terms of mechanicals and crashes.

Yes, but Vermeersch's performance seems questionable to me.
When Van der Poel attacked on the road section and Pogacar had to close the gap, Vermeersch was in that group and didn't help.
While they are in the same group, he never helps him, he seems like a rider from another team, and then he finished the race strong.
It doesn't feel good to finish fifth after proving weak when his teammate was in trouble.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Right now, I think he should go and ride them all and get the Ardennes triple.

Slay them all.

Yup. I want him to win FW again just to show the world who is the best puncheur!

 

[bNator]

Sorry but I didn't understand

It was an attempt to underline (by the use of sarcasm) the bizarre nature of the statement by @Froome where he tries to belittle Pog’s achievements by claiming he is somehow 5 years behind Hinault at this moment when it comes to greatness.

 

[Froome]

It was an attempt to underline (by the use of sarcasm) the bizarre nature of the statement by @Froome where he tries to belittle Pog’s achievements by claiming he is somehow 5 years behind Hinault at this moment when it comes to greatness.

It wasn't me who said that.

 

[JoãoRamos]

It was an attempt to underline (by the use of sarcasm) the bizarre nature of the statement by @Froome where he tries to belittle Pog’s achievements by claiming he is somehow 5 years behind Hinault at this moment when it comes to greatness.

The magical button does wonders.

 

[bNator]

It wasn't me who said that.

Sorry about that. Similar color of avatars😊

 

[Blobs]

The rule says they can't get feed at the end of the race. They got caught, they had to pay 1000 CHF for that. Just read the rules my firned.

The rules also say there has to be a 1 minute gap before the team car is allowed to pass and go to the next group, but the UAE car went past to give Pogacar supplies when there was inly a 30 second gap, when Pog seemed to struggle a bit mid race.

 

[Cycling111]

It was an attempt to underline (by the use of sarcasm) the bizarre nature of the statement by @Froome where he tries to belittle Pog’s achievements by claiming he is somehow 5 years behind Hinault at this moment when it comes to greatness.

It's ironic to say these things because he hasn't won Roubaix, yet they want to convince you that Vignegaard is a better cyclist when he's won zero monuments and that only the Tour de France matters.
So why is it so important not win PR?

I don't understand this kind of hate for being unable to enjoy a rider who has broken the monotony of specialization after 40 years. On the one hand, they praise Hinault, which is what Pogacar was looking for, but on the other, they also belittle him compared to Vignegaard or Froome, who are the complete opposite of Hinault.

When they try to belittle him against Vingegaard, only the Tour matters, not the 9-0 in monuments/WC
; when it's against Remco for another reason, and when it's against Hinault, then not winning Roubaix matters. Although I repeat that Hinault didn't win in Flanders, and MSR and in Lombardia, and probably in Ardenes, he was worst than Pogacar.

 

[Froome]

It's ironic to say these things because he hasn't won Roubaix, yet they want to convince you that Vignegaard is a better cyclist when he's won zero monuments and that only the Tour de France matters.
So why is it so important not win PR?

I don't understand this kind of hate for being unable to enjoy a rider who has broken the monotony of specialization after 40 years. On the one hand, they praise Hinault, which is what Pogacar was looking for, but on the other, they also belittle him compared to Vignegaard or Froome, who are the complete opposite of Hinault.

When they try to belittle him against Vingegaard, only the Tour matters; when it's against Remco for another reason, and when it's against Hinault, then not winning Roubaix matters. Although I repeat that Hinault didn't win in Flanders, MSR, or Lombardy, considering Pogacar hasn't retired and will win even more, he's already surpassed him in that aspect.

I will repeat again. You are confusing me with another user. I didn't said that.

 

[bNator]

It's ironic to say these things because he hasn't won Roubaix, yet they want to convince you that Vignegaard is a better cyclist when he's won zero monuments and that only the Tour de France matters.
So why is it so important not win PR?

I don't understand this kind of hate for being unable to enjoy a rider who has broken the monotony of specialization after 40 years. On the one hand, they praise Hinault, which is what Pogacar was looking for, but on the other, they also belittle him compared to Vignegaard or Froome, who are the complete opposite of Hinault.

When they try to belittle him against Vingegaard, only the Tour matters; when it's against Remco for another reason, and when it's against Hinault, then not winning Roubaix matters. Although I repeat that Hinault didn't win in Flanders, MSR, or Lombardy, considering Pogacar hasn't retired and will win even more, he's already surpassed him in that aspect.

If Pog keeps this up and has another season like last year, he will equalise Hinault achievemt-wise by the w do of this year. He will lag Hinault by 4 GTs, offset by 5 more monuments and one extra WC. If he keeps this up, of course and that’s still a big if. Anything can happen. But the predicate was lif he remains alpha dog”. If he keeps this up, from 2026 it will only be Merckx left…

 

[Peyroteo94]

The rules also say there has to be a 1 minute gap before the team car is allowed to pass and go to the next group, but the UAE car went past to give Pogacar supplies when there was inly a 30 second gap, when Pog seemed to struggle a bit mid race.

His team car was allowed to be there. He was waiting more than 5 minutes for his car.

 

[scribers]

I’m exhausted and I never left my house today

 

[bNator]

I will repeat again. You are confusing me with another user. I didn't said that.

Yes, it was @Peyroteo94. I could edit my post but I’m afraid there’s gonna be even more confusion after that…

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yes, it was @Peyroteo94. I could edit my post but I’m afraid there’s gonna be even more confusion after that…

What did I say?

 

[bNator]

What did I say?

That Pog will catch Hinault in 5 years if he remains alpha dog…