Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Peyroteo94]

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He is back. I didn't know anything about him since the TdF

 

[Peyroteo94]

And because some believe that with good domestiques he can win the Tour. It helps, and a favorite has to have a good team, but that's not everything.

Roglic had a far superior team in 2020; Pogacar didn't have a team and won the Tour in his second year as a professional. There was a glimpse of a Tour winner, even though the team was crap .
Remco in 2024 at least had Landa and finished at the same distance as Daniel Felipe Martinez in the Giro, Pogacar in 2020 didn't even have a domestique like 2024 Landa.

That's wishful thinking. Domestiques will not bring Pogacar back when he attacks

 

[Peyroteo94]

UAE is using a cheat code to win GdL. Pogacar's team was released:

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I expect 6 UAE in a group of 25 riders before Ganda.

 

[Peyroteo94]

UAE is using a cheat code to win GdL. Pogacar's team was released:

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I expect 6 UAE in a group of 25 riders before Ganda.

The reaction is similar to mine.

“There’s no point trying to anticipate with Yates, Sivakov, Del Toro & Vine in support” – Experts see hopeless situation for Tadej Pogacar’s Il Lombardia rivals

Tadej Pogacar has dominated Il Lombardia for four consecutive years — and according to several seasoned analysts, there’s little to suggest that streak will end this weekend at the 2025 edition of the...

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[andrew_s]

As I see things...

Pogi on his own and Remco on his own, on road bikes, go at a not dissimilar speed.

If Remco has committed support, Pogi is catchable (as at the Amstel, where Skelmose, believing correctly that he had a good chance in a sprint,committed to the chase wholeheartedly).

If Pogi is isolated, he will attack, in order to isolate other team leaders.

Pogi has most of the peloton believing that if he's off the front, everyone else is racing for second. This destroys any cooperation between members of different teams, giving situations like the Euros, where the "support" of Seixas, Ayuso and Scaroni saw Remco lose about a minute in the 20 km or so between the bottom of the last big climb and where he dropped them, but nothing in the next 30 km on his own.

So I reckon Remco needs a teammate or preferably two, who climb well enough not to lose excessive time, and TT well enough to offer good support away from the climbs, and that he should stick with them rather than chasing on his own.

There will be, of course, the problem of what to do about everyone else who follows the chase.

 

[AmRacer]

As I see things...

Pogi on his own and Remco on his own, on road bikes, go at a not dissimilar speed.

If Remco has committed support, Pogi is catchable (as at the Amstel, where Skelmose, believing correctly that he had a good chance in a sprint,committed to the chase wholeheartedly).

If Pogi is isolated, he will attack, in order to isolate other team leaders.

Pogi has most of the peloton believing that if he's off the front, everyone else is racing for second. This destroys any cooperation between members of different teams, giving situations like the Euros, where the "support" of Seixas, Ayuso and Scaroni saw Remco lose about a minute in the 20 km or so between the bottom of the last big climb and where he dropped them, but nothing in the next 30 km on his own.

So I reckon Remco needs a teammate or preferably two, who climb well enough not to lose excessive time, and TT well enough to offer good support away from the climbs, and that he should stick with them rather than chasing on his own.

There will be, of course, the problem of what to do about everyone else who follows the chase.

Pogi has no reason going full gas, only keep the gap around a minute or so. Remco, like you say, needs someone helping him getting back to Pogi. When the helpers get tired, Remco rides for second.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

As I see things...

Pogi on his own and Remco on his own, on road bikes, go at a not dissimilar speed.

If Remco has committed support, Pogi is catchable (as at the Amstel, where Skelmose, believing correctly that he had a good chance in a sprint,committed to the chase wholeheartedly).

If Pogi is isolated, he will attack, in order to isolate other team leaders.

Pogi has most of the peloton believing that if he's off the front, everyone else is racing for second. This destroys any cooperation between members of different teams, giving situations like the Euros, where the "support" of Seixas, Ayuso and Scaroni saw Remco lose about a minute in the 20 km or so between the bottom of the last big climb and where he dropped them, but nothing in the next 30 km on his own.

So I reckon Remco needs a teammate or preferably two, who climb well enough not to lose excessive time, and TT well enough to offer good support away from the climbs, and that he should stick with them rather than chasing on his own.

There will be, of course, the problem of what to do about everyone else who follows the chase.

UAE squad is absurdly strong for Il Lombardia, it's not Slovenia. There'll be no complicated tactics, just brute force. The last flattish section is after 220 km of mountainous race, when Pogacar's engine stands out. The only hope for the rest is Pogacar's bad luck or bad day (much worse form than at WC/EC).

 

[Oldman]

Funnily enough, without the crash, Pogacar would've won Roubaix because MVDP had a puncture on Carrefour de l'Arbre.

Yeah, that's how time works....
MVP did to Tadej what Tadej does to Remco; get the gap and maintain the gap. Add time where it makes sense but don't go full redzone.
I wouldn't bet any money on Tadej beating Mathieu if they're together at the end.

 

[Peyroteo94]

As I see things...

Pogi on his own and Remco on his own, on road bikes, go at a not dissimilar speed.

If Remco has committed support, Pogi is catchable (as at the Amstel, where Skelmose, believing correctly that he had a good chance in a sprint,committed to the chase wholeheartedly).

If Pogi is isolated, he will attack, in order to isolate other team leaders.

Pogi has most of the peloton believing that if he's off the front, everyone else is racing for second. This destroys any cooperation between members of different teams, giving situations like the Euros, where the "support" of Seixas, Ayuso and Scaroni saw Remco lose about a minute in the 20 km or so between the bottom of the last big climb and where he dropped them, but nothing in the next 30 km on his own.

So I reckon Remco needs a teammate or preferably two, who climb well enough not to lose excessive time, and TT well enough to offer good support away from the climbs, and that he should stick with them rather than chasing on his own.

There will be, of course, the problem of what to do about everyone else who follows the chase.

Kigali showed Pogacar is not always catchable even if they ride together.

 

[Cycling111]

Yeah, that's how time works....
MVP did to Tadej what Tadej does to Remco; get the gap and maintain the gap. Add time where it makes sense but don't go full redzone.
I wouldn't bet any money on Tadej beating Mathieu if they're together at the end.

I think the opposite: Pogacar should trust his sprints more.

Pogacar has beaten Pedersen twice: in Glasgow and at MSR 2023. And Pedersen is someone who has beaten MVDP in the sprint.

Pogacar has his worst sprints against MVDP; trying to surprise him makes them disastrous. I think he should trust him more and sprint against him like he did against Pedersen or in Liège. It's difficult, but he could do much better than he did in the last MSRs.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I think the opposite: Pogacar should trust his sprints more.

Pogacar has beaten Pedersen twice: in Glasgow and at MSR 2023. And Pedersen is someone who has beaten MVDP in the sprint.

Pogacar has his worst sprints against MVDP; trying to surprise him makes them disastrous. I think he should trust him more and sprint against him like he did against Pedersen or in Liège. It's difficult, but he could do much better than he did in the last MSRs.

Pogacar can't beat MVP in a sprint. The difference is big.

 

[Cycling111]

Pogacar can't beat MVP in a sprint. The difference is big.

If he could beat Pedersen, he can.

 

[Peyroteo94]

If he could beat Pedersen, he can.

But he can't rely on small odds. His chances of beating MVP is small in a sprint so he needs to race to drop him. In MSR he got completely cooked by MVP in the sprint.

 

[Lurkerman]

Uncanny image to look at. I wonder what did the rest of us the forum posters in here accomplish 2019-2025 lol

 

[Peyroteo94]

Uncanny image to look at. I wonder what did the rest of us the forum posters in here accomplish 2019-2025 lol

The GOAT of cycling.

 

[Oldman]

I think the opposite: Pogacar should trust his sprints more.

Pogacar has beaten Pedersen twice: in Glasgow and at MSR 2023. And Pedersen is someone who has beaten MVDP in the sprint.

Pogacar has his worst sprints against MVDP; trying to surprise him makes them disastrous. I think he should trust him more and sprint against him like he did against Pedersen or in Liège. It's difficult, but he could do much better than he did in the last MSRs.

Pedersen is a WRR champion. He has beaten everybody. That Tadej has beaten him and Mads has beaten MvP means what?
MvP is outlandishly fast and a really mean pursuiter. You don't "surprise him" as you've noted. You also don't outrun him at a distance that doesn't include a sudden 20% climb, long enough for him to pop.
After 5+ hrs of PR there are few secrets among a small group of riders and only the lucky pull off a surprise. Like Remco, Matheu does many things well and shouldn't mortgage them to possibly, maybe, hope to beat Tadej on his territory. He'll no doubt get some opportunities going forward to prove that point.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Pedersen is a WRR champion. He has beaten everybody. That Tadej has beaten him and Mads has beaten MvP means what?
MvP is outlandishly fast and a really mean pursuiter. You don't "surprise him" as you've noted. You also don't outrun him at a distance that doesn't include a sudden 20% climb, long enough for him to pop.
After 5+ hrs of PR there are few secrets among a small group of riders and only the lucky pull off a surprise. Like Remco, Matheu does many things well and shouldn't mortgage them to possibly, maybe, hope to beat Tadej on his territory. He'll no doubt get some opportunities going forward to prove that point.

Yes. Pogacar will have a real hard time to drop MVP in both MSR and PR. I think he needs to stsrt gamble more in the sprint. Not work with 5 km to go like Terpstra did with Kristoff in RVV (Kristoff still won it easily).

 

[BubbaChuck]

Tadej Pogacar finds motivation in new generation:"Finding new rivals and trying to beat them is motivating. They [Seixas and Philipsen] will make things tough for me, so I’ll need to keep my level high. That’s how it should be"
We are good,inner jordan is waking up,lol.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Tadej Pogacar finds motivation in new generation:"Finding new rivals and trying to beat them is motivating. They [Seixas and Philipsen] will make things tough for me, so I’ll need to keep my level high. That’s how it should be"
We are good,inner jordan is waking up,lol.

Won't Pogi be washed up by the time Seixas reaches his full potential? He definitely sounded like that in his post Tour interviews.

 

[Cycling111]

Pedersen is a WRR champion. He has beaten everybody. That Tadej has beaten him and Mads has beaten MvP means what?
MvP is outlandishly fast and a really mean pursuiter. You don't "surprise him" as you've noted. You also don't outrun him at a distance that doesn't include a sudden 20% climb, long enough for him to pop.
After 5+ hrs of PR there are few secrets among a small group of riders and only the lucky pull off a surprise. Like Remco, Matheu does many things well and shouldn't mortgage them to possibly, maybe, hope to beat Tadej on his territory. He'll no doubt get some opportunities going forward to prove that point.

I'm not saying Pogacar should wait for the sprint against MVDP, but given that how MVDP climbing Cipressa this year, he'll have no choice but to consider putting in a good sprint. And that's when I say that if he could sell Pedersen, he can do it with MVDP.
It's difficult, just as it's very difficult for someone like Pogacar to beat Pedersen twice in the sprint.

 

[Shortcut]

I'm not saying Pogacar should wait for the sprint against MVDP, but given that how MVDP climbing Cipressa this year, he'll have no choice but to consider putting in a good sprint. And that's when I say that if he could sell Pedersen, he can do it with MVDP.
It's difficult, just as it's very difficult for someone like Pogacar to beat Pedersen twice in the sprint.

Before he tries at sprint he needs to try at least one time already on Berta with Del Toro and Narvaez. If there 15-20 riders at begining of Cipresa those two can do great lead out. If they try that and Tadej still doesn't win.. then that is it.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Before he tries at sprint he needs to try at least one time already on Berta with Del Toro and Narvaez. If there 15-20 riders at begining of Cipresa those two can do great lead out. If they try that and Tadej still doesn't win.. then that is it.

On Berta? That’s absurd. They should put one guy to make a hard race in the capos. Probably Politt, a guy who can't position himself and his team in the front.

 

[Pogacsa]

Changing the subject, what do you imagine will be the Tour team next year?

I can easily imagine it as Pogi, Del Toro, Almeida, Yates, Sivakov (or Soler) Narvaez, Wellens and Pollitt. The inclusion of Del Toro might raise eyebrows but I think he's likely to get onto the TdF podium which would please sponsors and Mexico more than perhaps winning the GIro or Vuelta.

Supposedly, UAE won't send younger riders to more than one GT per year.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Changing the subject, what do you imagine will be the Tour team next year?

I can easily imagine it as Pogi, Del Toro, Almeida, Yates, Sivakov (or Soler) Narvaez, Wellens and Pollitt. The inclusion of Del Toro might raise eyebrows but I think he's likely to get onto the TdF podium which would please sponsors and Mexico more than perhaps winning the GIro or Vuelta.

Supposedly, UAE won't send younger riders to more than one GT per year.

Pogacar
Almeida
Soler
Narvaez
Politt
Wellens
McNulty
Yates/Sivakov

 

[Peyroteo94]

Italian fans love Pogacar.

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