Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Monsi]

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I think Del Toro will be in the Tour lineup already if he isn't targeting the Giro.

 

[Cycling111]

I think it would be good for Del Toro to do the Tour alongside Pogacar, if he goes with the right attitude, not like Ayuso. That's how some riders started, like Lemmond alongside Hinault.

I wouldn't rush him to go to the Giro. Besides, Vingegaard will go to the Giro, and we have to be realistic; if he hasn't been able to beat Simon Yates, he won't be able to do it with Vingegaard in a few months.
The Tour is a race they have to know; it's very different from any other GT, and doing it as a domestique without any pressure other than helping is a good way to go.
He could even lead other one-week races, and if he goes to the Tour as a domestique, he won't be as tired as if he went to the Vuelta as a leader and could extend his season in autul. Almeida is completely coocked after the Vuelta.

 

[Salvarani]

Won't Pogi be washed up by the time Seixas reaches his full potential? He definitely sounded like that in his post Tour interviews.

MJ retired and came back

 

[Peyroteo94]

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[Peyroteo94]

I think Del Toro will be in the Tour lineup already if he isn't targeting the Giro.

Hum... he knows he can win a GT next year so I'm inclined to think he will race the Giro.

 

[Cycling111]

Hum... he knows he can win a GT next year so I'm inclined to think he will race the Giro.

Vingegaard will go to the Giro. He's not going to win the Giro against Vingegaard.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Vingegaard will go to the Giro. He's not going to win the Giro against Vingegaard.

You don't know. There is also a chance of Del Toro riding the Vuelta.

 

[Salvarani]

Could see Del Toro doing Tour with Pog.

Almeida Giro + Vuelta.

 

[Cycling111]

You don't know. There is also a chance of Del Toro riding the Vuelta.

This is what he hinted at in his statements at the Vuelta.

He's going to turn 30 next year, I think it's obvious that he's going to go.

 

[Monsi]

This is what he hinted at in his statements at the Vuelta.

He's going to turn 30 next year, I think it's obvious that he's going to go.

Yeah Jonas said that if the decision was only up to him, he would ride the Giro next year. But of course he will have to talk it up with Visma before making a final decision on whether he goes Giro-Tour or not.

In that case, I would just prefer Del Toro goes to the Tour unless he insists he wants to target the Vuelta GC.

 

[Pogacsa]

I'm very sceptical that Vingegaard will enter next year's Giro, whatever hints he may have given this year. As we saw at the Vuelta, he doesn't have the ability to race two consecutive Grand Tours at the same high level and I think it pretty much rules him out of contention at the Tour de France. And I don't think he would do that, or his team would risk him turning up sub-standard.

 

[Monsi]

I'm very sceptical that Vingegaard will enter next year's Giro, whatever hints he may have given this year. As we saw at the Vuelta, he doesn't have the ability to race two consecutive Grand Tours at the same high level and I think it pretty much rules him out of contention at the Tour de France. And I don't think he would do that, or his team would risk him turning up sub-standard.

He was fine doing the Tour-Vuelta in 2023. He was probably even the strongest in the 3rd week of the Vuelta that year. His underperformance at the Vuelta this year was due to his sickness.

 

[Rob5091]

Vingegaard is Visma's one shot gun. He'll not do the Giro.

 

[Peyroteo94]

He was fine doing the Tour-Vuelta in 2023. He was probably even the strongest in the 3rd week of the Vuelta that year. His underperformance at the Vuelta this year was due to his sickness.

He was still far from his best shape (what he showed in the Tour).

 

[Monsi]

He was still far from his best shape (what he showed in the Tour).

This year? Yeah because he was sick during the big mountain stages.

 

[Peyroteo94]

This year? Yeah because he was sick during the big mountain stages.

This year and 2023.

 

[YavorD]

He was still far from his best shape (what he showed in the Tour).

But then again, I actually think that nowadays the Tour-Vuelta is much harder to maintain high lever for both races than the Giro-Tour.
With the way they ride/rode the Tour this year, being dead after the Tour is perfectly normal, so him looking worse in the Vuelta is/was to be expected.
Whilst you can start the Giro a bit undercooked and with the right circumstances (field, route, crashes...) win it without digging too deep, thus being at your best in the Tour.

 

[Monsi]

This year and 2023.

It wasn't that far in 2023 (ofc Tour numbers were still better).

 

[Pogacsa]

But with the exception of Pogacar, who has performed better at the Tour than they did at the Giro in the same year?

 

[Monsi]

If Vingegaard does the Giro-Tour, it's probably because he just wants to complete the GT collection. Of course, he'll still try to be in the best shape possible for the Tour because anything can still happen.

 

[Cycling111]

But with the exception of Pogacar, who has performed better at the Tour than they did at the Giro in the same year?

All those who have won the Giro-Tour double.
Those who didn't make it, most of them won the Giro but lost the Tour.

 

[Pogacsa]

Irrespective of those who won it, who actually performed better in the Tour having done a serious Giro? I can't think of anyone. Froome was weaker, Geraint Thomas dramatically so, to give just two examples

 

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[SafeBet]

Irrespective of those who won it, who actually performed better in the Tour having done a serious Giro? I can't think of anyone. Froome was weaker, Geraint Thomas dramatically so, to give just two examples

Dumoulin in 2018? Don't know if better but at a similar level.

 

[Cycling111]

Irrespective of those who won it, who actually performed better in the Tour having done a serious Giro? I can't think of anyone. Froome was weaker, Geraint Thomas dramatically so, to give just two examples

The answer is the same: Those who won it