Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[vappa]

Yes, UAE just need to surprise everyone and nuke the Capos.

What can they lose?

There's no nuking Capos, the first two are 2km each at 3,5 and 2,5%, basically flat for their speeds. Berta they could but it's only 2km at 6,3%, that's 3 minutes, can't put anyone you want to drop under pressure there

They would waste people who will try (and fail) to position the team before Cipressa and for the lead out on pulling all out on useless terrain

 

[James M]

Sucks about the party pooper weather tomorrow last year was an all timer

 

[James M]

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[canina82]

His best chance is an attack in the last 2 kms.

 

[vappa]

His best chance is an attack in the last 2 kms.

And sneaking away? He's the most watched rider in the peloton, maybe ever. Everyone that can still pedal will try to go after him. Especially if there's Philipsen, MvdP might sacrifice himself again

 

[MariaB]

There's no nuking Capos, the first two are 2km each at 3,5 and 2,5%, basically flat for their speeds. Berta they could but it's only 2km at 6,3%, that's 3 minutes, can't put anyone you want to drop under pressure there

They would waste people who will try (and fail) to position the team before Cipressa and for the lead out on pulling all out on useless terrain

They will lose a lot of riders anyway on Cipressa.

So why they don't take the bull by the horns and try to break the peloton before Cipressa?

 

[canina82]

And sneaking away? He's the most watched rider in the peloton, maybe ever. Everyone that can still pedal will try to go after him. Especially if there's Philipsen, MvdP might sacrifice himself again

I never said he has a good chance of winning MSR with this headwind.

 

[Red Rick]

There's no nuking Capos, the first two are 2km each at 3,5 and 2,5%, basically flat for their speeds. Berta they could but it's only 2km at 6,3%, that's 3 minutes, can't put anyone you want to drop under pressure there

They would waste people who will try (and fail) to position the team before Cipressa and for the lead out on pulling all out on useless terrain

Not only that, they're also super wide. And it's not close enough to the base of Cipressa either.

I've thought about ideas like suddenly blasting Capo Berta if you have located your rival way in the back, but I doubt it's ever gonna work simply because the road is so wide.

 

[MariaB]

Not only that, they're also super wide. And it's not close enough to the base of Cipressa either.

I've thought about ideas like suddenly blasting Capo Berta if you have located your rival way in the back, but I doubt it's ever gonna work simply because the road is so wide.

But Pogacar can only drop MVDP if the latter is tired (Flanders last year as an example).

So UAE should try to make the race so hard that when they reach Cipressa, only Del Toro and Pogacar are left.

And then Pogacar can try to get some separation and solo to the finish.

Is it difficult? Of course.

But we see a lot of times when people can't get organized to bring Pogacar back, even if in theory they should bring him back.

I read today that INEOS is very prepared for Cipressa attack. Everyone will be. So I don't see how can UAE position themselves properly for a huge attack.

 

[Red Rick]

But Pogacar can only drop MVDP if the latter is tired (Flanders last year as an example).

So UAE should try to make the race so hard that when they reach Cipressa, only Del Toro and Pogacar are left.

And then Pogacar can try to get some separation and solo to the finish.

Is it difficult? Of course.

But we see a lot of times when people can't get organized to bring Pogacar back, even if in theory they should bring him back.

I read today that INEOS is very prepared for Cipressa attack. Everyone will be. So I don't see how can UAE position themselves properly for a huge attack.

You cannot make Sanremo hard. It is a fundamental feature of the race.

They did the first 2 hours of Milano Torino at 48kph average. Sounds hard? TBJ averaged under 180 watts in those 2 hours.

 

[MariaB]

You cannot make Sanremo hard. It is a fundamental feature of the race.

They did the first 2 hours of Milano Torino at 48kph average. Sounds hard? TBJ averaged under 180 watts in those 2 hours.

Yes, I agree Rick.

But we didn't have a Cipressa attack for 30 years.
It wasn't feasible today. And we saw what happened last year.

So, they have to try.
Even if they fail. they should try something.

Because Pogi is not dropping no MVDP whatsoever.

 

[canina82]

I'm very curious to see Pogacar's sprint. He is probably 2 kgs heavier and maybe he can be closer to MVP's sprint. Since they will have a headwind in via roma, maybe he can surprise MVP.

 

[yaf2]

But Pogacar can only drop MVDP if the latter is tired (Flanders last year as an example).

So UAE should try to make the race so hard that when they reach Cipressa, only Del Toro and Pogacar are left.

And then Pogacar can try to get some separation and solo to the finish.

Is it difficult? Of course.

But we see a lot of times when people can't get organized to bring Pogacar back, even if in theory they should bring him back.

I read today that INEOS is very prepared for Cipressa attack. Everyone will be. So I don't see how can UAE position themselves properly for a huge attack.

agree. Tomorrow pog & uae have 2 options, first one is trying to win on pure strength like they tried every year which will require an extreme nuke of capo berta by either Christin or deltoro because cipressa option isn’t feasible anymore with the headwind. Both have good 3 minute values & could make a 20-30 man selection like we’ve seen in strade. A pogacar attack on cipressa could have a slightly more success in this situation with the classics men already put to the limit on berta & the wind playing less factor on cipressa since the peleton is already coming with some lactate in their legs. Second option is to make a tactical race with deltoro by reducing the peleton to certain number & let deltoro go with a small group at the top of either cipressa or pogo. With jorgenson, pidcock &co I would fancy his chances in a sprint. I don’t see any scenario other than this where a uae rider can win tomorrow.

 

[canina82]

I also think they will try something on Berta. If not, what was the point of bringing Felix and McNulty, leaving out classics riders like Rui, Politt or Molano?

 

[Gratemans]

Yes, I agree Rick.

But we didn't have a Cipressa attack for 30 years.
It wasn't feasible today. And we saw what happened last year.

So, they have to try.
Even if they fail. they should try something.

Because Pogi is not dropping no MVDP whatsoever.

You gotta go with the option that gives you the biggest chance of a win. That he didn't succeed last year, doesn't mean that it was the wrong strategy.
Attacking on the Capos would just be ridiculous. You can't break a peloton there. They're way too short for that.

Mathieu is always going to be the favourite here, that doesn't mean that UAE should try every random strategy they can think of.

 

[P4rthen0n]

Yes, I agree Rick.

But we didn't have a Cipressa attack for 30 years.
It wasn't feasible today. And we saw what happened last year.

So, they have to try.
Even if they fail. they should try something.

Of course.
And btw last year UAE was very bad positioned at the base of Cipressa. Only Narvaez and Pogacar were at the front. Everybody else on the team was out of the race by then.
So there's still a lot of room to improve with exactly the same tactic.

 

[vappa]

Of course.
And btw last year UAE was very bad positioned at the base of Cipressa. Only Narvaez and Pogacar were at the front. Everybody else on the team was out of the race by then.
So there's still a lot of room to improve with exactly the same tactic.

No they weren't, what are you talking about? Wellens was roughly 15th wheel, Pogacar and Narvaez 40+

 

[Shortcut]

I am Pogi fan because he was/is doing ridiculous things so i hope UAE tries something on Berta. If it doesn't work it will not be end of the world but i don't see Pogi attacking again on Cipressa like last year. Maybe Del Toro will try to create small group there but that is all till Poggio. So Christen, Vermesch need to do something at least on Berta.