Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Rou]

San Miguel de Aralar is a 9.4 km climb at 8%. Very similar to today's climb for example (it is a little bit harder).

Let's wait for the climb times and watts from today. I think Lipo was better than in Basque while Pogacar was just average.

 

[Rasto]

Decent performance. Still needs to improve a lot, Seixas is in better shape for the mountains right now.

dont come with this *** seisax did altitude and he is climbing from the winter

 

[canina82]

I agree.

Big overreaction. Seixas has yet to prove he can endure 3 weeks of racing.

I don't believe for a moment he will crack. This kid has everything.

 

[canina82]

dont come with this *** seisax did altitude and he is climbing from the winter

But he is showing a better level and this is something I would never expect this season. Not even from Vingegaard.

 

[MariaB]

I don't believe for a moment he will crack. This kid has everything.

Yes, but he still needs to prove.

We don't know how his body would react in the third hard week of a TdF.

 

[Rasto]

Let's wait for the climb times and watts from today. I think Lipo was better than in Basque while Pogacar was just average.

6.71 from french he is missing 0.5 from peak shape lombardy whgich is 30 watts roughly

 

[MariaB]

Let's wait for the climb times and watts from today. I think Lipo was better than in Basque while Pogacar was just average.

An average Pogi still destroys 99% of the competition.

 

[Red Rick]

Come on now, as if we've seen Seixas in the mountains.
We can hardly call Basque country "mountains*.

Seixas couldn't drop Lipowitz on the queen stage in Itzulia.

Basically everything points to Lipowitz actually being really strong right now (significantly better than in Catalunya).

The gap to riders behind Lipowitz was already a minute, which is very large or a 20 minute climb.

 

[YavorD]

I agree.

Big overreaction. Seixas has yet to prove he can endure 3 weeks of racing.

I actually find it a bit more likely that he beats Pogacar than he collapses in 3 weeks.

I think at this moment is something like:
65% Seixas is 2nd or 3rd (could be a close battle between 3).
20% he wins/beats Pogacar.
15% he us irrelevant.

 

[Rasto]

But he is showing a better level and this is something I would never expect this season. Not even from Vingegaard.

well yea but u could see he did different prep this year for classics probably took a lot or just little tired from liege and nto rested properly and u cant rest in romandie

 

[canina82]

I actually find it a bit more likely that he beats Pogacar than he collapses in 3 weeks.

I think at this moment is something like:
65% Seixas is 2nd or 3rd (could be a close battle between 3).
20% he wins/beats Pogacar.
15% he us irrelevant.

In my head, he will be in the top3 very easily.

 

[Rasto]

https://watts2win.eu/fr/performance u can see he is going from bad prep little overweight and still doing same watts as jonas and seisax if he has better team and can pace is from bottom faster it would be even better so pretty good for what it is

 

[Rou]

An average Pogi still destroys 99% of the competition.

I agree. This is why his team needs to be optimal for July. A weak team makes his job harder.
Can del Toro do a strong leadout in July is the question.

 

[MariaB]

I actually find it a bit more likely that he beats Pogacar than he collapses in 3 weeks.

I think at this moment is something like:
65% Seixas is 2nd or 3rd (could be a close battle between 3).
20% he wins/beats Pogacar.
15% he us irrelevant.

20%?

I think he doesn't have 2% of chances of beating Pogi in a GT.

 

[Red Rick]

I actually find it a bit more likely that he beats Pogacar than he collapses in 3 weeks.

I think at this moment is something like:
65% Seixas is 2nd or 3rd (could be a close battle between 3).
20% he wins/beats Pogacar.
15% he us irrelevant.

Irrelevant shouldn't really be possible unless he skips it or crashes to smithereens.

 

[jibbo90]

In my head, he will be in the top3 very easily.

You are focusing too much on raw numbers and stats here Tadej Pogačar rode the entire Classics campaign with a clear objective and then showed up at Romandie right after Liège–Bastogne–Liège The mental and physical fatigue that comes with that kind of schedule cannot be ignored when assessing his performance and he has still managed to win three stages so far

Comparing him to Seixas on the basis of this race feels off and honestly a bit unfair to the Slovenian The French rider has huge potential and could become a superstar but they are not at the same stage yet

As mentioned earlier there are still major unknowns first whether Paul will even ride the Tour and second how he would handle a full three week race in terms of recovery and accumulated stress That is a completely different level of demand

Pogačar will almost certainly continue to build toward July and there is little reason for panic at this stage

 

[rafa92]

6.71 w/kg for 21:35 minutes, performance index level at 88, better than his stage 1. This is on a similar level as seixas stage 2 in basque and vingegaard stage 5 in catalunya and he was still quite in control. This guy has started training on long climbs 10 days ago (after roubaix) and he is already at a very good level, exactly at the level he should be at this point of the season

 

[YavorD]

In my head, he will be in the top3 very easily.

Still 3 weeks of racing over multiple hard mountain stages is different.
No real reason to think he will be weak(er), buut let's actually see aahim first and then jump into conclusions.

 

[Rasto]

6.71 w/kg for 21:35 minutes, performance index level at 88, better than his stage 1. This is on a similar level as seixas stage 2 in basque and vingegaard stage 5 in catalunya and he was still quite in control. This guy has started training on long climbs 10 days ago (after roubaix) and he is already at a very good level, exactly at the level he should be at this point of the season

it could be better if better paced from bottom so i think he is good and will be way better after alttitude

 

[AlfaLum]

Pogacar is not in top shape for stage racing yet and still he is toying with everybody at will here.

Even French future superstar Seixas should not have any illusions going into July. Pogacar will destroy him at some point in the race so it might be better for Seixas to just race his own race if he goes to the Tour.

 

[rafa92]

it could be better if better paced from bottom so i think he is good and will be way better after alttitude

yes, he is already at a great level considering the kind of races he was preparing for in the spring

 

[YavorD]

Irrelevant shouldn't really be possible unless he skips it or crashes to smithereens.

Maybe you're right. I was too harsh/generous with giving 15% of a chance to be irrelevant (being irrelevant to the podium is what I meant saying "irrelevant", kinda like Gall last year).

 

[Rasto]

but one thing is sure he will need to choose either classic or tour cause it wont work both for him if seisax wil get even better thats 100%

 

[canina82]

https://watts2win.eu/fr/performance u can see he is going from bad prep little overweight and still doing same watts as jonas and seisax if he has better team and can pace is from bottom faster it would be even better so pretty good for what it is

Good news. He looked pretty laboured in the end.

 

[canina82]

You are focusing too much on raw numbers and stats here Tadej Pogačar rode the entire Classics campaign with a clear objective and then showed up at Romandie right after Liège–Bastogne–Liège The mental and physical fatigue that comes with that kind of schedule cannot be ignored when assessing his performance and he has still managed to win three stages so far

Comparing him to Seixas on the basis of this race feels off and honestly a bit unfair to the Slovenian The French rider has huge potential and could become a superstar but they are not at the same stage yet

As mentioned earlier there are still major unknowns first whether Paul will even ride the Tour and second how he would handle a full three week race in terms of recovery and accumulated stress That is a completely different level of demand

Pogačar will almost certainly continue to build toward July and there is little reason for panic at this stage

These huge talents rise like this. Pogacar was nowhere close to Roglic in the Dauphiné and 4-5 weeks later, PdB happened.