Tb500

[ferryman]

OK So I have thought about creating this thread long and hard. In the off season I was having a conversation with a current pro and he said its like 'one step forward two steps back'... and he told me of performances that have come out of nowhere and surprised the peloton because of a certain drug.. I would think of certain individuals who came to the fore in the tour and the vuelta, because of TB500...

http://www.tb500.com/ That is the link.

I'm sorry if people think I'm being pessimistic or trying to damage the sport.

Thanks for posting this. Pretty nasty stuff, which makes me shiver.

Sorry for the straight forward question but did your conversation with the pro involve named riders or just inferred as you suggest?

Froome and Cobo are the obvious 2 ffrom the Vuelta. Can't believe that Evans is that stupid but can't think of any other rider in the Tour who it could be?

 

[Benotti69]

Thanks for posting this. Pretty nasty stuff, which makes me shiver.

Sorry for the straight forward question but did your conversation with the pro involve named riders or just inferred as you suggest?

Froome and Cobo are the obvious 2 ffrom the Vuelta. Can't believe that Evans is that stupid but can't think of any other rider in the Tour who it could be?

I wonder would Voekler or Riblon be suspects?

 

[Benotti69]

How much of this stuff did Omega Pharma's soigner import?

and who would it be for this year? Lotto-Belisol or Omega Pharma Quickstep?

Both teams are having a very good January

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

So, there's this new horse drug and some riders came out of nowhere, therefore, the horse drug is awesome?
That's rather weak. Riders have been coming out of nowhere for ages.

Anyway, if it promotes angiogenesis, does that mean the performance enhancement is permanent, or at least very lasting?

 

[Cobblestones]

So this stuff promotes angiogenesis and cell migration? Sounds like the ideal drug to take if you want your cancer to metastasize in a hurry.

 

[ferryman]

So, there's this new horse drug and some riders came out of nowhere, therefore, the horse drug is awesome?
That's rather weak. Riders have been coming out of nowhere for ages.

Anyway, if it promotes angiogenesis, does that mean the performance enhancement is permanent, or at least very lasting?

Unfortunately it could be very lasting if you have googled the same thing as me.

 

[ferryman]

I wonder would Voekler or Riblon be suspects?

On reflection, yes, they would be.

 

[sniper]

On reflection, yes, they would be.

What about vacansoleil.
The dutch have a rich tradition in horse breeding, so that stuff I assume would be easy to get in the netherlands.

EDIT: speaking of which... check out this footage:
http://nos.nl/video/312947-hoogerland-racet-tegen-drafpaard.html

 

[The Plediadian]

ROFL - as the commentators said: "Incroyable!"

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/incredible


Hmm. Impressive the way he came back right at the line. He must have had a lot of "Marginal Gains".

I do not see issue with these guys,(Frome,Cobo.) They are spinning extremely small gears on steep pitches. I guess they could ride like Fuentes, Merckx, Giomondi up the tough climbs of the Giro, with 46 teeth chainrings, and 25 rear cogs.
By the way Merckx was riding 32mph tts back in the 70s with steel bikes.
Was he using exotic race horse aminos also.?

 

[The Plediadian]

I do not see issue with these guys,(Frome,Cobo.) They are spinning extremely small gears on steep pitches. I guess they could ride like Fuentes, Merckx, Giamondi up the tough climbs of the Giro, with 46 teeth chainrings, and 25 rear cogs.
By the way Merckx was riding 32mph tts back in the 70s with steel bikes.
Was he using exotic race horse aminos also.?

I mean come on. If this drug is so great, why wouldn't every rider who needed quick recovery use it? It could make any average Joe into a 3 week GT animal?
Also it would have to be being used since Anquentil's era, hmm?

 

[ElChingon]

So the TB500 website is saying they can make race horses out of...

 

[Polish]

Simply put if cyclists are taking this they should be banned for life.

Remember this story last summer about Wim Vansevenant and Omega Pharma Lotto being linked with this product. In this piece some doctor has said it is so dangerous it could even produce tumor growth.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/8899/Tour-de-France-Team-cars-searched-for-doping-products.aspx

One has to hope that WADA and the USADA are leaving no stones unturned in their fight to eradicate Tb500 from the Pro Peloton. Nip it in the bud if that is still possible. Stuff sounds nasty Yikes.

It would be very helpful if someone in the Pro Peloton had the courage to step forward and send an e-mail to WADA/USADA to raise the flag like Lance did with Hemassist. Or course, the anti-doping authorities would have to act qiuckly. That has always been a problem. Anti-doping behind the curve. They need to get ahead of the curve. Venga Venga Venga guys!

 

[labratty]

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Well Levi will have to avoid it, just too obvious
Maybe he can buy a TUE

 

[zigmeister]

So this stuff promotes angiogenesis and cell migration? Sounds like the ideal drug to take if you want your cancer to metastasize in a hurry.

Wasn't this drug originally designed to fight cancer?

Of course with many drugs and newer peptides, they find they can be good for other things when used properly in very specific ways.

For example, botulism. Now widely known as Botox? Every housewife on TV has it in their face.

So it isn't all bad when used in a very specific manner.

 

[greatking88]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/operacion-skype-riders-evidence-leads-to-doctors-arrest

Seems this doctor had TB-500 in his possession when caught.

 

[Oldman]

I do not see issue with these guys,(Frome,Cobo.) They are spinning extremely small gears on steep pitches. I guess they could ride like Fuentes, Merckx, Giomondi up the tough climbs of the Giro, with 46 teeth chainrings, and 25 rear cogs.
By the way Merckx was riding 32mph tts back in the 70s with steel bikes.
Was he using exotic race horse aminos also.?

Merckx was Merckx and that much better which is what makes sudden improvements by the mortals tougher to accept. I do see issue with guys spinning madly up long climbs as that implies an elevated hemo to me.

 

[MarkvW]

As for Evans, he has rode for a lot dirty teams and Rihs is one of the diritiest in cycling. Evans has been a smart guy but the dots lead to the dope and when dots join up in cycling we (well those of us will a basic level of intelligence)know how the results are achieved.

So anyone "with a basic level of intelligence" . . . "knows" that Evans dopes? And we know this because Evans "rode for a lot of dirty teams". . . And because the "dots lead to the dope?"

That's not a very persuasive argument.

 

[pmcg76]

So anyone "with a basic level of intelligence" . . . "knows" that Evans dopes? And we know this because Evans "rode for a lot of dirty teams". . . And because the "dots lead to the dope?"

That's not a very persuasive argument.

Yes, but Roger Hammond who also rode for some dirty team's like Discovery, HTC and Garmin didnt dope.....well according to some journalists anyways.

 

[9000ft]

Wow, if one is to believe the clinic, this must be widespread and everybody is mega dosing. Not only that but it's Pretty much Brunyeel and Armstrong conspiring to make this widely available thus making themselves richer in the process.

Shocking I tell you, shocking, and no one would know if it weren't for all the experts with unassailable inside information in the clinic.

LOL

 

[BotanyBay]

This stuff promotes angiogenesis, which is a necessary component of cancer metastasis.

If cyclists are taking this stuff without proper medical supervision, they're insane.

Stick to the "Safe" stuff like HemAssist and Actovigen.

 

[BotanyBay]

OK So I have thought about creating this thread long and hard. In the off season I was having a conversation with a current pro and he said its like 'one step forward two steps back'... and he told me of performances that have come out of nowhere and surprised the peloton because of a certain drug.. I would think of certain individuals who came to the fore in the tour and the vuelta, because of TB500...

http://www.tb500.com/ That is the link.

I'm sorry if people think I'm being pessimistic or trying to damage the sport.

I could probably go buy some sugar pills, box em up as if they were the most potent pharmaceuticals on Earth, hire Papp to walk around Crit Natz this summer and say "psst" a few times and mention a website in Poland and I could sell-out each box (for $500 each) within a month. Joe, gimme a call. PLEASE.

 

[Boeing]

thinking about this thread while talking to a equestrian person I brought Tb up. although this is just me rehashing second hand knowledge, it is apparently known in horse circles as a one and done drug. As in horses do improve however once off it they drop below their former (non tb) levels of performance

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I could probably go buy some sugar pills, box em up as if they were the most potent pharmaceuticals on Earth, hire Papp to walk around Crit Natz this summer and say "psst" a few times and mention a website in Poland and I could sell-out each box (for $500 each) within a month. Joe, gimme a call. PLEASE.

BB check this out! http://www.epoboost.com/
You should come out with a product call WhamBamEPO then sell it. People are buying basically Echinacea for daily dose of 8g a day.

On another message board the talk is that a certain US Olympic trials qualifier and competitor in this year’s qualifier has a testimonial on that epoboost site! I read it and it is there for the world to read. Gimmicks work well.
Yoquero EPO

 

[BotanyBay]

BB check this out! http://www.epoboost.com/
You should come out with a product call WhamBamEPO then sell it. People are buying basically Echinacea for daily dose of 8g a day.

On another message board the talk is that a certain US Olympic trials qualifier and competitor in this year’s qualifier has a testimonial on that epoboost site! I read it and it is there for the world to read. Gimmicks work well.
Yoquero EPO

Anyone know "Captain" John Hatchitt? 78th place at the 2012 USA Cycling So Cal Cup Crit Series (against juniors & masters). Gotta get me some EPO Boosters too! (I have no doubt I can get 74th place and thoroughly SERVE him).

 

[Red Rick]

Wasn't this drug originally designed to fight cancer?

Of course with many drugs and newer peptides, they find they can be good for other things when used properly in very specific ways.

For example, botulism. Now widely known as Botox? Every housewife on TV has it in their face.

So it isn't all bad when used in a very specific manner.

You're right, the working molecule in botox is botuline toxin A, which is actually the deadliest molecule known to man. It has an extreme low ld 50. I think one liter of that stuf could be enought to kill all people on earth, if doen efficiently ofcourse