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TdF maps and profiles

Jun 18, 2009
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You (CN) folks do realize, I hope, that all your current maps and profiles for the TdF stages are cut off. The original (yellow) maps and profiles, while small, all showed up in their entirety, while these all get cut off by the middle column. Is it really that hard to get such a simple thing right?
 
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Crikey said:
You (CN) folks do realize, I hope, that all your current maps and profiles for the TdF stages are cut off. The original (yellow) maps and profiles, while small, all showed up in their entirety, while these all get cut off by the middle column. Is it really that hard to get such a simple thing right?

The original yellow maps are owned by ASO and as such we're only allowed to utalise them for a certain period of time before switching to AFPs maps.

What resolution are you viewing the website at?

Cheers
Greg Johnson
 
Jun 18, 2009
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My screen is an 18 inch (measured diagonally) monitor, with resolution at 1024X768 pixels. The maps and profiles get cut off once they start to encroach on the second column space. Seems weird that you could use the yellow maps and profiles for only the first week of the Tour. Another site, Cycling Fever, at http://tour.cyclingfever.com/index.html. still offers the yellow maps and profiles.
 
Jul 18, 2009
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exactly the same with for me , i have tried it on another pc with a much larger screen and it is fine though

easiest way for us to fix it is
hold down controll and roll your mouse wheel back that makes the web page smaller and all the images come into full view
 
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Well, this 18 inch monitor is as big a screen as I'm going to find, and the problem is clearly not with the resolution. I've tried all different resolution settings and the maps and profiles are still cut off...It looks to me like a formatting problem...they've been put into the website at a certain size that will not fit the first column width. They get cut off once they start to impinge on the second column, whether the second column is Vaughter's commentary or just white space. I keep having to go to another website to check the profile of the stage to see how far it is to the next climb.
 
You can easily simulate this by not using your browser expanded to the full screen size. As you decrease the horizontal size of the browser, the problem will become visible once the browser width gets to around 1100 - 1150 pixels. The width of the "Vaugther's" column and the "map" column both decrease as the browser width decreases. At some point the "map" window has a minimum width and does not reduce further in size.

The "map" column is set so that content that overflows its boundaries is hidden by the column to the left.

This is a design problem. Whoever did the page design never considered that maps would be large enough and the browser window small enough that the maps would be clipped.
 
Jun 25, 2009
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Just fix it on the website...

Look, instead of giving a damn technology lesson, recognize that when someone goes to the page looking for the race map and profile they likely want the who thing! The way the page is set up now it doesn't show it! Once again CN disappoints... I'm starting to get used to it though...

FIX THE F#$^%@G PROBLEM!

Enough excuses for a really poor job!

S
 
Jun 25, 2009
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edgar digby said:
easiest way for us to fix it is
hold down controll and roll your mouse wheel back that makes the web page smaller and all the images come into full view

This does nothing but make the cut-off map and profile bigger ... it's still cut off...

Good GOD, this site is more frustrating by the minute!!!!!!!!

Back to Velo-Snooze
S
 
stevec said:
Look, instead of giving a damn technology lesson, recognize that when someone goes to the page looking for the race map and profile they likely want the who thing! The way the page is set up now it doesn't show it! Once again CN disappoints... I'm starting to get used to it though...

FIX THE F#$^%@G PROBLEM!

Enough excuses for a really poor job!

Giving CN a clear explanation of the problem will allow them to fix the situation. It is certainly better than useless histrionics like "FIX THE F#$^%@G PROBLEM! ," which does not give a way to reproduce the problem or what might be causing it.
 
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What I don't understand about this is how anyone gets to see the complete maps or profiles. I'm using an 18" monitor, which, though old, is certainly on the large end of screen sizes, and no matter what I do to the resolution, or which browser I use, or whether I use the browser in full screen or partial screen, the maps and profiles are still cut off to the same extent. And, I've got two laptops of different sizes that yield the same result. CN has acknowledged that they no longer provide the original yellow maps and profiles (which were in place when the TdF started, and which, though small and hard to read, were at least completely visible) but no one at CN has yet acknowledged that there is a problem with the current maps and profiles. If there is some way for me to reset my display settings that will reveal the entire map and profile I'd love to know what it is, but the suggestions provided by other forum members don't change what I can see. Why doesn't CN just shift the maps and profiles down so they don't impinge on the Vaughter's comments and then allow them to span both the first and second column space?...they'd be completely visible then.
 
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We've resorted to a back-up measure which means you're presented with smaller versions of the map and profile, but have to click through to view the full map. It's not the long-term solution, but it's all we're able to provide within the development confines between now and the Tour ending this weekend.

Crikey said:
Why doesn't CN just shift the maps and profiles down so they don't impinge on the Vaughter's comments and then allow them to span both the first and second column space?...they'd be completely visible then.

Yes, if it were that simple we would have. Unfortunately the construction of the three column page can't be changed on a case-by-case basis, so the above is a way to use the two column system which should mean you can see the full maps. Obviously, let us know if you have any further issues.

Lostintime said:
Pretty simple, click on the map or profile, and you get this: 404 - Page not found
http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/96t...s/stage-17/map


We have to go to other web sites to get this simple information.

I've just had a brief look and haven't seen a way to navigate to this URL from the actual website. Can you please tell us where you found a link to that URL?

Cheers
Greg Johnson
 
Jun 18, 2009
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I don't know, guys...sometimes I can't tell whether this "new" website is a tragedy or a comedy. It's nice that you've changed the cut-off maps and profiles to smaller versions that, in theory, you can click on to get a full size view of them. But, click on the small versions of today's stage (stage 16) and you get full size views of stage 15's map and profiles, but no stage 16. Then click on the mini versions of stage 17's map and profiles (in the hope of finding stage 16 info) and instead you'll get "404- Page not found".
 
Jul 21, 2009
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Really,
The new site is horrible.

The link to a lot of the stages and maps are broken.

Click on the link for stage 17, and the URL is of course stage 19, since whoever decided to count rest days as stages.

Than click the link to the map, of course the URL is for stage 17 which would've been correct if the above person didn't decide to make stage 17 named stage 19 for cycling news.

If you take the link to the stage 17 map and change 17 to 19 you get the correct map.

Really, it has been frustrating.

The live coverage is also harder to follow now, as it doesn't automatically refresh.

Many more things. Cyclingnews never had the best design before, but at least it was functional, now it is very hard to get to information.

And yes, I registered on the forums just for this 1 reason. Not to contribute to some Lance thread, not to talk about how everyone dopes because their faster than me, just to say the content of this site is highly in accessible and is filled with broken links which is unacceptable in a time of dynamically generated content. Your webmaster should be shot. and Yes I am a web programmer and if you have no way of looking up your virtual links or cannot find broken links on half your tour de france pages, there are issues.
 
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Greg Johnson said:
I've just had a brief look and haven't seen a way to navigate to this URL from the actual website. Can you please tell us where you found a link to that URL?

Cheers
Greg Johnson


Sure thing Greg.

For todays 17th stage, I'm on this page http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/96th-tour-de-france-gt/stages/stage-19

I clicked on the "Stage 17 Profile" image, which leads to the 404-Not Found page.

I noticed the link that says "See full-size map and profile" just below the text description of the stage. It does show the larger map and profile, but the link is http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/96th-tour-de-france-gt/stages/stage-19/map.

This is for stage 17, not 19. It looks like the stage links are mis-assigned.

The link for the "Stage 17 Profile" image would simply need to be redirected to http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/96th-tour-de-france-gt/stages/stage-19/map. Of course, the stage links need to be corrected to match the actual stages!
 
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lostintime said:
S
I noticed the link that says "See full-size map and profile" just below the text description of the stage. It does show the larger map and profile, but the link is http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/96th-tour-de-france-gt/stages/stage-19/map.

Yeah - I've gone through and done this as a temporary solution based off your feedback. It's not pretty, but it at least provides access to the information until the developers have sorted out the underlying issue of naming convention for stages.

Cheers
Greg Johnson
 
Jun 25, 2009
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BroDeal said:
Giving CN a clear explanation of the problem will allow them to fix the situation. It is certainly better than useless histrionics like "FIX THE F#$^%@G PROBLEM! ," which does not give a way to reproduce the problem or what might be causing it.

You must be dumb as a fence post... the problem has been spelled out... the maps were all but useless until stage 18! That's what this thread is about ... the cut-off maps and profiles... It took you more than 2 weeks to do something.

It should never have been an issue! Clearly someone on the CN staff saw that the maps were cut off weeks ago - but they did nothing... that is indicative of a bigger problem.

What you fail to see is that the frustration and yelling (useless histrionics) from your readers is the result of a complete lack of competence on the part of the CN staff to 1) Get it right the first time, 2) when they don't get it right - which seems like most of the time - to change it to something that is right... example: the survey asking about the flash box and nearly 90% of the folks don't like it... yet it is still there...

S
 
Jun 16, 2009
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Against my better judgment (maybe out of old habit), I jumped on to cycling news to check the TdF results and info about tomorrow.

When I clicked on tomorrow's map, I was both happily surprised and really disappointed. I was happy because the enlargement actually showed the whole map, quite an improvement over the incomplete maps earlier (btw, the excuses for that were really lame). I was disappointed because the enlarged map was from YESTERDAY'S STAGE.

C'mon, this is really basic, simple stuff. You, Cyclingnews, should be embarrassed. Please hire someone who is somewhat competent at this kind of thing. I'm sure you're tired of reading all these negative comments, why not do something right for a change?
 
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Just been to the Vuelta pages and found the same problem- the profiles are cut off (for the stages that have profiles). Are we going to have to go through this all over again for every race? NOT GOOD ENOUGH!