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You do realise that a sizeable chunk of WF posters is Flemish, and that the behaviour you refer to doesn't apply to the vast majority of people on there anyway? The fact that the chunk of the Dutch population who think they know better than anyone else is probably larger than average shouldn't be generalized to the Dutch population as a whole, your claim that it's the attitude of a majority has absolutely zero evidence to back it up; snapshots from places like Albufeira and Kirchberg are about as representative for the average Dutch person as your typical English-dominated Spanish party town is for the average Briton, or a Southern trailer town is for the average American. Moreover, both of those stereotypes are also often used to make generalising statements, whether they're about a part of the population (Southern, young, 'lesser-educated') or the country's population as a whole.

Look, I don't really post much on WF anymore, but that's not because of widespread arrogance and hatefulness, rather because it simply isn't there.

Oh, and on the subject of arrogance and hatefulness towards foreign riders...
Everything I quoted is based on facts . No arrogance, but facts. I'm not reading any substantive or argued response from you here.
Everything I quoted is based on facts . No arrogance, but facts. I'm not reading any substantive or argued response from you here.
Everything you wrote and also other posts of you that DE didn't quote are arrogant; if you don't see that while calling the Dutch arrogant on no basis, this is definitely my final reason to put you on ignore.
My, sometimes this is something else here, like I'm living in an alternative reality... thought we had the dot thread for that.
Exactly, based on experience.
There are also a lot of not arrogant Dutch people, fortunately. But arrogance is apparently in the genes of many Dutch people. But The Dutch are sensible people, because many Dutch people admit this.
Conclusions drawn from personal experience are not facts: they are opinions based mainly on whatever we wish to draw from the experience because of our tendency towards confirmation bias.
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That guy has exactly one under result worth mentioning. It's really not controversial to let him race minor races for one more year before considering wt.
This, I don't like DSM and their overall approach, but I fail to see what they did wrong this time. Let him ride another season in the u23 ranks and have him be a stagiaire from August onward. Already going pro on a WT team wouldn't have made a lot of sense.
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I am struggling to see the issue with Hayter and DSM - he rides 2022 in the DSM conti team and if he is good enough he'll get a WT contract in 2023 - DSM will not accepting a WT contract.
Apparently he wanted to get the contract right now, that makes no sense for DSM because they probably have a clause in his developmental contract that allows them to sign him for the WT team afterwards if both parties agree. Why wouldn't you let him ride one more year in the u23 ranks to see how he does and what kind of rider he is before offering him a WT contract?
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As usually there seems to more to this that is not in the public domain.
As already said there is no reason to leave with the options available at end of year.
I understand his big aims were the baby Giro and L,Avenir overall. He has been putting a big focus this winter on improving his time trial performance.
Maybe will join big brother from autumn onwards.