The It's No Picnic PostNL Thread

[Leinster]

So after all that, today was a good day. Bardet clearly has ok legs, although he didn’t get the jersey (for now), and a good stage win for Storer (who’s off to Bardet’s old team next year).

 

[RedheadDane]

and a good stage win for Storer (who’s off to Bardet’s old team next year).

No, he's off to FDJ.

 

[Leinster]

No, he's off to FDJ.

Ah shoot. I misconnected, and my “nice little symmetry” angle doesn’t work.

 

[RedheadDane]

Ah shoot. I misconnected, and my “nice little symmetry” angle doesn’t work.

He's off to the team of the guy who finished last on the stage.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I didn't intend to post on this forum anymore, but there are too many untruths floating around here.

1/ Van Wilder IS still training, daily. But he's training with no goal in sight.

2/ Van Wilder has been biting his lip for months. The only time he has come forward about the issue, is through his instagram post last week. This was a direct response to the Wielerflits article. Wielerflits broke the story, Kemna responded, Van Wilder reacted. Stating he has been crying in the media is factually untrue.

3/ He was injured last year, he had been struggling with an ongoing knee injury and the team was well aware he would not be able, nor wanted to ride the Vuelta in that condition. This was not something that popped up at the eleventh hour as DSM claims.

4/ Van Wilder got no support from the team riding the Belgian NC ITT. His personal manager had to make sure he got the equipment he needed. In the article, Kemna now conveniently states that they decided it was no longer feasible for them to support their riders in NC's.

5/ DSM makes certain oral promises to riders before they sign a contract in good faith, which are not included in the actual contract.

6/ They had been changing his program all season. He was supposed to ride Tour de la Provence in February, but was taken off not long before. He then was going to ride Haut Var, but again they took him off the team. They made him wait until the second half of March, when he could finally ride... Nokere Koerse. They have been yanking his chain since last year's Vuelta and never gave him a clear or rational explanation why they were taking him out of all these races. He was also supposed to ride Tour de l'Ain, again they took him off the team. "His goals come later" ... but when that goal (Vuelta) came, they also stripped him of that.

7/ If Van Wilder were such a bad seed, as some here are willing to assume, then why don't DSM just cut him loose and recover his wages to put towards another rider? Clearly the marriage isn't going to work anymore, especially if you're assuming he is a troubleseeker. Why would you want to keep working with someone like that, and why would you assume he would fall in line all of a sudden. The truth is they are very aware Van Wilder isn't the problem, which is why they don't want to let him go and are now doing their best to convince him. DSM treats their riders like 7-year-olds. Or better, like 7-year-olds in a catholic boarding school in the 1950's. Van Wilder not riding the Vuelta now, is a direct result of that. He needed "to be disciplined".

8/ Van Wilder got a "10/10" on his physical report by the team.

I would also like to hear Kemna's explanation why, in a team ran by experts (dixit Kemna) why they have a performance manager, a rather crucial role, who is in fact not an expert at all. The reason why this person got that job might be the complete opposite of the "professionalism" the team claims to be upholding.

 

[tobydawq]

I didn't intend to post on this forum anymore, but there are too many untruths floating around here.

1/ Van Wilder IS still training, daily. But he's training with no goal in sight.

2/ Van Wilder has been biting his lip for months. The only time he has come forward about the issue, is through his instagram post last week. This was a direct response to the Wielerflits article. Wielerflits broke the story, Kemna responded, Van Wilder reacted. Stating he has been crying in the media is factually untrue.

3/ He was injured last year, he had been struggling with an ongoing knee injury and the team was well aware he would not be able, nor wanted to ride the Vuelta in that condition. This was not something that popped up at the eleventh hour as DSM claims.

4/ Van Wilder got no support from the team riding the Belgian NC ITT. His personal manager had to make sure he got the equipment he needed. In the article, Kemna now conveniently states that they decided it was no longer feasible for them to support their riders in NC's.

5/ DSM makes certain oral promises to riders before they sign a contract in good faith, which are not included in the actual contract.

6/ They had been changing his program all season. He was supposed to ride Tour de la Provence in February, but was taken off not long before. He then was going to ride Haut Var, but again they took him off the team. They made him wait until the second half of March, when he could finally ride... Nokere Koerse. They have been yanking his chain since last year's Vuelta and never gave him a clear or rational explanation why they were taking him out of all these races. He was also supposed to ride Tour de l'Ain, again they took him off the team. "His goals come later" ... but when that goal (Vuelta) came, they also stripped him of that.

7/ If Van Wilder were such a bad seed, as some here are willing to assume, then why don't DSM just cut him loose and recover his wages to put towards another rider? Clearly the marriage isn't going to work anymore, especially if you're assuming he is a troubleseeker. Why would you want to keep working with someone like that, and why would you assume he would fall in line all of a sudden. The truth is they are very aware Van Wilder isn't the problem, which is why they don't want to let him go and are now doing their best to convince him. DSM treats their riders like 7-year-olds. Or better, like 7-year-olds in a catholic boarding school in the 1950's. Van Wilder not riding the Vuelta now, is a direct result of that. He needed "to be disciplined".

8/ Van Wilder got a "10/10" on his physical report by the team.

I would also like to hear Kemna's explanation why, in a team ran by experts (dixit Kemna) why they have a performance manager, a rather crucial role, who is in fact not an expert at all. The reason why this person got that job might be the complete opposite of the "professionalism" the team claims to be upholding.

It's just mind-boggling how they refuse to ever change their ways.

And it is quite annoying, actually, that they have mamaged to amass a few wins the last couple of weeks.

 

[roundabout]

For all the kicking that the team gets, sometimes their methods work big on some riders

 

[Eeslliw]

For all the kicking that the team gets, sometimes their methods work big on some riders

Interesting what will happen to Storer next season after his departure. Will he get better or worse? Hirschi for example is way of his last year.

 

[Pinot's goat]

Interesting what will happen to Storer next season after his departure. Will he get better or worse? Hirschi for example is way of his last year.

I think that puncheurs and sprinters are more likely to perform worse when they move teams, climbers seem to fare better. I think Storer can go for GC in WT stage races next year which is logical step up. Super dom or second leader at TDF for Pinot or Giro for Gaudu.

 

[BlueRoads]

Interesting what will happen to Storer next season after his departure. Will he get better or worse? Hirschi for example is way of his last year.

But Hirschi only was on that high after the Corona break, in the half year before that he wasn't anywhere that level either. (I have no idea what the reason for Hirschi's performances is, but it might not really be about the team.)

 

[RedheadDane]

Just to be absolutely clear; there has been nothing about Storer breaking contract, right? Even if he might have wanted to, after the shampoo-story last year.
He just... didn't get a contract extension, or didn't ask for a contract extension.

 

[Salvarani]

For all the kicking that the team gets, sometimes their methods work big on some riders

And some riders has performed worse after leaving them tbh.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Ilan Van Wilder raced again yesterday. That's good news you say?

Not really. The only reason why DSM started him again, after exactly 46 days, is because they would otherwise be liable considering there is supposedly a UCI rule that states the team has a responsibility to let fit / healthy / uninjured riders race at least once every 6 weeks.

Een andere UCI-regel schrijft voor dat wanneer ploegen weigeren om wedstrijdfitte renners voor een periode langer dan zes weken op te stellen, zij hier een grote fout begaan. Dat is ook de reden waarom Ilan Van Wilder gisteren de GP Wallonie reed en Team DSM zo geen fout begaat.

Translation: "Another UCI rule states that when teams refuse to start race-fit riders for a period longer than six weeks, they are committing a grave error. That is also the reason why Ilan Van Wilder rode the GP Wallonie yesterday and Team DSM does not commit any errors."

What a repulsive team.

 

[Red Rick]

Ilan Van Wilder raced again yesterday. That's good news you say?

Not really. The only reason why DSM started him again, after exactly 46 days, is because they would otherwise be liable considering there is supposedly a UCI rule that states the team has a responsibility to let fit / healthy / uninjured riders race at least once every 6 weeks.



Translation: "Another UCI rule states that when teams refuse to start race-fit riders for a period longer than six weeks, they are committing a grave error. That is also the reason why Ilan Van Wilder rode the GP Wallonie yesterday and Team DSM does not commit any errors."

What a repulsive team.

They're doing the inverse DQS/Lefevere now

 

[Volderke]

For all the kicking that the team gets, sometimes their methods work big on some riders

There is a saying: even if the clock isn't working anymore, it states the correct time twice a day.

 

[roundabout]

There is a saying: even if the clock isn't working anymore, it states the correct time twice a day.

So you are saying that it is possible to easily win 2 stages in the Vuelta by being the strongest rider in the break through chance without preparation having anything to do with it?

 

[Volderke]

So you are saying that it is possible to easily win 2 stages in the Vuelta by being the strongest rider in the break through chance without preparation having anything to do with it?

All I was thinking when Storer won those stages, is that he's leaving the team and was 'punished' because he broke the Covid bubble during a team stage in the Alps, about the same thing that Kemna himself did with the team bubble in the Tour.
Every team can have some wins in the pro tour if they have a budget and staff, for sure a team that is trying to get young talents like DSM. No need to give DSM too much credit for Storer's wins.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Ilan Van Wilder raced again yesterday. That's good news you say?

Not really. The only reason why DSM started him again, after exactly 46 days, is because they would otherwise be liable considering there is supposedly a UCI rule that states the team has a responsibility to let fit / healthy / uninjured riders race at least once every 6 weeks.



Translation: "Another UCI rule states that when teams refuse to start race-fit riders for a period longer than six weeks, they are committing a grave error. That is also the reason why Ilan Van Wilder rode the GP Wallonie yesterday and Team DSM does not commit any errors."

What a repulsive team.

A little bird told me that Felix Gall is also pretty happy to get out of that team, can't say that I blame him...

 

[RedheadDane]

For all the kicking that the team gets, sometimes their methods work big on some riders

People are different. There are probably also riders for whom a team-structure like EF's would be horrible.

 

[BlueRoads]

Sieberg wird nach Karriereende Coach bei DSM | radsport-news.com

www.radsport-news.com

Sieberg becomes coach at DSM, especially for the lead-outs.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Casper Pedersen was really angry at the team in the danish interview afterwards, saying they ordered him to ride as helper and use all his power in the echellons before TV started as a punishment for a bad Paris-Roubaix, which he felt was really unfair and stupid, as the races were not comparable, and also blaming Cees Bol for attacking when he was supposed to be the sprinter. Sounded a lot like yet another rider could end up leaving the team even if it was in the heat of the moment.

When i said a while ago, that Van Wilder got a lot of mental support from riders on his team supporting his decision to flip DSM the bird, i wasn't kidding. I don't know if Pedersen was one of them, but i have a feeling he will be now. Let's hope in the not so distant future more riders will speak up and get this cult exposed.

 

[Leinster]

Meanwhile, Bardet says the DSM training setup is only brilliant.

Bardet feeling the benefits of new training regime at Team DSM

'I'm starting to reap the rewards of this new approach to my profession' says Frenchman after 8th at Il Lombardia

www.cyclingnews.com

 

[Ricco']

Even in a toxic environment as DSM is, I imagine training-wise is miles ahead of what the french teams are doing.

If only Pinot did the same, he could have done nicer things in his career instead of wasting so many years with Madiot.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Meanwhile, Bardet says the DSM training setup is only brilliant.

Bardet feeling the benefits of new training regime at Team DSM

'I'm starting to reap the rewards of this new approach to my profession' says Frenchman after 8th at Il Lombardia

www.cyclingnews.com

He'll think differently the day he cut his hair half an inch shorter than agreed with the team and he needs to get disciplined.

 

[RedheadDane]

What I find weird about this whole Pedersen Story is that Danish media doesn't appear to mention it at all. You'd think they'd be all over a story like this; Danish defending champion of a major race is forced for forfeit his own chances at defending his title, maybe because he admitted that he might not have given his all at another major race the week before, due to already being focused on this race and not wanting to get injuried.