Dazed and Confused said:
Wiggo's numbers which are psuedo-published for '11 (453W) and '13 (445W) suggest Martin was far superior in '11 considering his massive margin of victory over a stronger Wiggins
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Wiggo's numbers which are psuedo-published for '11 (453W) and '13 (445W) suggest Martin was far superior in '11 considering his massive margin of victory over a stronger Wiggins
Bumeington said:
Could be, or perhaps the distance played a part.
46.4 km '11
57.9k km '13
Are there any pseudo figures for the Olympic TT?
Observation - I've not read this message board for a while but there was times over the past couple of years I've dipped in and out. The same people are saying the EXACT same stuff that you been doing for years. I've been laughing my head off here. It is literally the same arguments going round in a circle. I thought I'd gone back in time when I read some of Dear Wiggo's posts.
I'd love to see what you all look and sound like. Cool dudes. Lol, Jesus wept.
I'd love to see what you all look and sound like. Cool dudes. Lol, Jesus wept.
Sethcapes said:
Yeah it is pathetic when the fans don't learn the lessons from USP and the exact same thing happens and the exact same level of denial ensues, because our own don't dope.
Yes you are correct, it is pathetic when people don't learn the lessons of the past.
Kimmage has asked for an interview with Wiggins. He used official channels and then put it up on twitter
https://twitter.com/PaulKimmage/status/441908077307375616
Will Wiggins do it? Kimmage is a great interviewer
https://twitter.com/PaulKimmage/status/441908077307375616
Will Wiggins do it? Kimmage is a great interviewer
If Kimmage comes back with a "nothing to see here, move along" kinda interview result. That'd be cake. 
Not going to happen though is it? Wiggins does not like Kimmage and vica-versa. You'd know what the tone of he interview would be, what the questions would be, absolutely zero motivation for Wiggins to do it.
Race Radio said:
He'd be a fool if he did.
There's absolutely nothing for him to gained by talking to Kimmage
the sceptic said:
His leap in performance has been overstated by those convinced he doped.
We're talking about a rider who has never won a mountain stage of a GT, come to think of it he has never won a road stage of a GT or a one day race of any significance.
His performance levels are not even close to the levels of Armstrong et al
in 2008, Wiggins was struggling to keep up with the gruppetto and he finished almost last in the giro GC.TailWindHome said:
the next year we get this:
climbing alongside dopers, even beating some of them. Who do you think is the first clean rider on that list?
I would say his performance level was pretty close to Armstrong in that 2009 tour. And that is a gigantic jump in performance from the previous year.
To me, this can only be explained by doping. But if you have any theory as to how this could have been done clean, feel free to bring it up.
the sceptic said:in 2008, Wiggins was struggling to keep up with the gruppetto and he finished almost last in the giro GC.
the next year we get this:
climbing alongside dopers, even beating some of them. Who do you think is the first clean rider on that list?
I would say his performance level was pretty close to Armstrong in that 2009 tour. And that is a gigantic jump in performance from the previous year.
To me, this can only be explained by doping. But if you have any theory as to how this could have been done clean, feel free to bring it up.
According to wikipedia, at the 2008 Giro he was working in a lead out train for Cav, and came 4th in the final stage time trial. So maybe, just maaaaybeee, he was saving his legs in the mountains and your point is moot.
I think to show a jump in performance you'll have to find two races in which he was trying.
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elduggo said:
He may have done, but I'll not believe it without evidence
I read the interview for Sport and just...I'm still laughing; I can only assume Wiggins has decided the best way to 'protect' Froome is to be a pure lighting rod, throwing himself in fromt of the bus for journos and twitterati. If he can rile them up enough, they'll focus on him not Froomie...
Mind you, that would require a degree of planning I'm not willing to grant. i think the knobhead explanation rather simpler to accept.
Boy, he hates Kimmo doesn't he...
the sceptic said:in 2008, Wiggins was struggling to keep up with the gruppetto and he finished almost last in the giro GC.
the next year we get this:
climbing alongside dopers, even beating some of them. Who do you think is the first clean rider on that list?
I would say his performance level was pretty close to Armstrong in that 2009 tour. And that is a gigantic jump in performance from the previous year.
To me, this can only be explained by doping. But if you have any theory as to how this could have been done clean, feel free to bring it up.
Hmm hard question, Christope Le Mevel might have been clean? I dunno
the sceptic said:in 2008, Wiggins was struggling to keep up with the gruppetto and he finished almost last in the giro GC.
the next year we get this:
climbing alongside dopers, even beating some of them. Who do you think is the first clean rider on that list?
I would say his performance level was pretty close to Armstrong in that 2009 tour. And that is a gigantic jump in performance from the previous year.
To me, this can only be explained by doping. But if you have any theory as to how this could have been done clean, feel free to bring it up.
In what way does that GC support your assertion that Wiggins was > Armstrong within a year.
Does it not show he was 36 seconds < Armstrong
TailWindHome said:
Cadel Evans has never won a mountain stage of a gt. Must have been a **** climber
the sceptic said:
that would indeed qualify as 'pretty close to armstrong'.TailWindHome said:Does it not show he was 36 seconds < Armstrong
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