Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[JRanton]

They lost Uran, Henao is somewhere not racing and Cataldo is Cataldo.

Replaced Uran with Nieve. Do you not remember Cataldo on Di Tivo last year?

There's either something wrong with Henao or he's preparing on his own for Pais Vasco/Ardennes.

 

[42x16ss]

As far as I know that's exactly what Henao is doing isn't it? He's probably their most likely contender for Amstel and Liege.

 

[JRanton]

As far as I know that's exactly what Henao is doing isn't it? He's probably their most likely contender for Amstel and Liege.

Yup. I was going to say that it's still a bit odd that he's not doing either PN or TA but then neither are the likes of Valverde and Rodriguez who also have the Ardennes as a big target.

 

[Granville57]

That's not the author, it's the voice of veloclinic. It used to be much worse.

I never understood why the hell that info on that site was ever presented in the fashion that it was. I stopped bothering to decipher any of it a long time ago, regardless of the content. Not sure if they were trying to be cryptic, clever or convoluted. I stopped caring either way though.

 

[RownhamHill]

I bet Froome Dawg got pulled because they figured it would be better to give him a mega peak for the tour, rather than the 6 month peak he had last year.

How would that work exactly?

 

[Cyivel]

What's the deal with this?

http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17546_9221191,00.html

 

[bobbins]

What's the deal with this?

http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17546_9221191,00.html

Paving the way for other dubious readings to be blamed on altitude?

 

[LaFlorecita]

What's the deal with this?

http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17546_9221191,00.html

 

[Lanark]

What's the deal with this?

http://www.teamsky.com/article/0,27290,17546_9221191,00.html

Sounds like a lot of spin to say Henao has suspicious values.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Sounds like a lot of spin to say Henao has suspicious values.

Only halfway through the article I realized what they were on about. The title is silly too.

 

[RownhamHill]

Certainly looks fairly suspicious doesn't it?

The article suggests Sky are investigating further as a result of their own internal controls, would be very interesting to know whether that has been genuinely initiated by them or has been prompted by a letter from the blood passport people. . . If Dave Walsh is reading this maybe he could try hitting up some of his contacts at the UCI from the JTL case to find out more. . .

 

[Dazed and Confused]

JTL 2.0 coming up.
Cleans Colombian.
Could explain Uran's sudden lack of form. I know thats for another thread.

edit: I would be happy if another rider is busted, particularly a higher profiled person. Plenty of doping going on in the peloton and the anti doping unit needs to start catching the cheaters, not just the Sayars of this world.

 

[deviant]

What will the clinic say if they've caught one of their own riders with their own internal controls?...surely that would be a good thing, wouldnt it demonstrate that doping at Sky is an individual endeavour and not part of a team wide doping program?

 

[Mellow Velo]

Sounds like a lot of spin to say Henao has suspicious values.

What? The Sky release or the replies that have already appeared here?

Looks as if they've gone pro active in the light of the JTL mess.
Would have thought looking into the effect of altitude on BVs was a good thing.
Another case of the wrong team doing the right thing.

 

[hrotha]

What will the clinic say if they've caught one of their own riders with their own internal controls?...surely that would be a good thing, wouldnt it demonstrate that doping at Sky is an individual endeavour and not part of a team wide doping program?

No, it would demonstrate they don't let riders get past certain values. That's compatible with having a policy of being cleans, but also with having a team wide doping program and with outsourcing it for individuals.

 

[Ferminal]

Sounds to me like he cracked 50%? Either that or a tap on the shoulder like Gilbert etc.

 

[gillan1969]

Certainly looks fairly suspicious doesn't it?

The article suggests Sky are investigating further as a result of their own internal controls, would be very interesting to know whether that has been genuinely initiated by them or has been prompted by a letter from the blood passport people. . . If Dave Walsh is reading this maybe he could try hitting up some of his contacts at the UCI from the JTL case to find out more. . .

it does indeed look very suspicious...love their headline...nothing like a bit of spin...a 'research programme'

they've managed however to issue a non-story today about Thomas winning the Tour though...that's what gets the BBC website headline rather than the...eh.....suspicious blood values...funny that

 

[SundayRider]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/wales/26634755

Thomas pencilled in as next Sky Tour winner then.

 

[King Boonen]

From the article:

"In our latest monthly review, our experts had questions about Sergio’s out-of-competition control tests at altitude - tests introduced this winter by the anti-doping authorities. We need to understand these readings better."


These were not internal tests. It would be interesting to know if results of all tests are returned to the team and that is why they acted on it, but I have a suspicion this has been raised with them by the ADA.

 

[Ferminal]

Scrap that... Probably got ABP flagged, panel asked for his excuse and like everyone, said altitude. Maybe they haven't bought it yet.

 

[simoni]

This could be interpreted in so many ways dependant on your initial point of view.

Are sky being proactive? Are they bothered because they think he's juicing or bothered because he's at risk of getting caught? Does this come from the UCI? Is this a team wide thing or a(nother) rogue rider?

Basically, it tells us nothing other than someone somewhere has decided he's not racing for a few weeks. Everything else could be anywhere on the continuum from 100% truth and transparency to smoke and mirrors.

 

[lllludo]

Sounds to me like he cracked 50%? Either that or a tap on the shoulder like Gilbert etc.

Yeah probably the effects of being an altitude native like when Robby Hayles cracked the 50% haematocrit in 2008

 

[gillan1969]

This could be interpreted in so many ways dependant on your initial point of view.

Are sky being proactive? Are they bothered because they think he's juicing or bothered because he's at risk of getting caught? Does this come from the UCI? Is this a team wide thing or a(nother) rogue rider?

Basically, it tells us nothing other than someone somewhere has decided he's not racing for a few weeks. Everything else could be anywhere on the continuum from 100% truth and transparency to smoke and mirrors.

yup...and "someone somewhere" once told pantani he wasn't racing for two weeks..

 

[RownhamHill]

Certainly looks fairly suspicious doesn't it?

The article suggests Sky are investigating further as a result of their own internal controls, would be very interesting to know whether that has been genuinely initiated by them or has been prompted by a letter from the blood passport people. . . If Dave Walsh is reading this maybe he could try hitting up some of his contacts at the UCI from the JTL case to find out more. . .

According to Daniel Benson's twitter feed it seems not - Sky are the ones telling the UCI.

Daniel Benson ‏@dnlbenson 2m
UCI tell CN they were informed about Henao recently, as in the last few days. Say JTL case is ongoing.

What will the clinic say if they've caught one of their own riders with their own internal controls?...surely that would be a good thing, wouldnt it demonstrate that doping at Sky is an individual endeavour and not part of a team wide doping program?

That's what it's looking right now. . .

No, it would demonstrate they don't let riders get past certain values. That's compatible with having a policy of being cleans, but also with having a team wide doping program and with outsourcing it for individuals.

That doesn't really make much sense at first glance. If they had a policy of allowing doping but not letting riders get past 'certain' values, surely they'd just pull Henao from the Ardennes with a 'back injury' and not do a press release about it all? Certainly if, as it appears, the values in question haven't been flagged by the UCI?

 

[JRanton]

I knew it was odd that Henao wasn't at Tirreno.

The Sky is falling in.