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red_flanders said:
Your "work" has been a little more emphatic on the Sky thread.

Sky: 660 posts (and counting)
Dan Martin: 28
indeed - 660, from over 26,000 posts - about 2.5% of the total
28 - from 626 posts - about 4.5% of the total

I was, in effect, twice as engaged in the Dan Martin thread; it just lasted less time because...ta-dah---you guys didn't clog it anywhere near as much with bullsh!t!!

Point proven.

Try again, wee lad.
 

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The Hitch said:
As was pointed out the last 2 times you responded to a post of mine (once by digger once by eshnar). Your posts always go personal and always go insults.

And here you go again. Even people who are considered to be on the moderate side of our side, are starting to call you out as byop and hrotha did.

Why? Why do you always go with the insults?
Where is the personal insult? Everything there is of universal application.

Well me and you both know that if we stood here having a simple on topic discussion on whether it is likely that Wiggins defended dopers while riding clean or whether it is likely sky found out how to lose weight while gaining power clean at the exact same time that drugs emerged that serve exactly that purpose, you wouldn't have much of an argument to make, or would at least have to concede pretty quickly that both of those questions and many others can only be answered with - it is very very very unlikely

So you always divert from the discussion by going personal getting extremely patronizing and offering insults. Turning it into something totally off topic.
And you calling others patronising is irony gold. Thank you, you've made my week.
 
martinvickers said:
indeed - 660, from over 26,000 posts - about 2.5% of the total
28 - from 626 posts - about 4.5% of the total

I was, in effect, twice as engaged in the Dan Martin thread; it just lasted less time because...ta-dah---you guys didn't clog it anywhere near as much with bullsh!t!!

Point proven.

Try again, wee lad.
Got it. more than 30x more posts = less engaged.

836 people contributing on the Sky thread. Well 835.
107 people contributing on the Dan Martin thread.

I hope you don't think you're convincing anyone but yourself.
 

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red_flanders said:
Got it. more than 30x more posts = less engaged.

836 people contributing on the Sky thread. Well 835.
107 people contributing on the Dan Martin thread.

I hope you don't think you're convincing anyone but yourself.
You don't understand mathematics too well, do you boy?
 
martinvickers said:
You don't understand mathematics too well, do you boy?
Does calling me "boy", "wee lad", "pet", "juvenile", or any of the other names you've called me on this thread make your "points" feel more salient to you?

From here it feels like someone getting a wee bit upset and someone who has no point, nor a compelling argument.

I suggest you take a breather and calm down.
 

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red_flanders said:
Does calling me "boy", "wee lad", "pet", "juvenile", or any of the other names you've called me on this thread make your "points" feel more salient to you?
Not really; it just amuses me, and sure it's better than just swearing, no?

Except juvenile, that was because I felt you were acting...well, juvenile.
 
red_flanders said:
Does calling me "boy", "wee lad", "pet", "juvenile", or any of the other names you've called me on this thread make your "points" feel more salient to you?

From here it feels like someone getting a wee bit upset and someone who has no point, nor a compelling argument.

I suggest you take a breather and calm down.
Would you rather he called you "old man" or "gramps"? :D
 

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Digger said:
You seriously need to calm down.
Please, Diggsy, don't mistake conviction for anger. I'm absolutely tranquillo. I've a lovely cumberland pie awaiting me shortly, followed hopefully by a brisk shore line walk in the twilight. Life is actually, pretty darn nice, all things considered.

All I seek is people play by the rules of the rhetorical game, Digger. That REALLY seems to p*** off some posters who think their hunches are the full measure of reality. Look up Hitchens' Razor, you'll understand.
 
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Please, Diggsy, don't mistake conviction for anger. I'm absolutely tranquillo. I've a lovely cumberland pie awaiting me shortly, followed hopefully by a brisk shore line walk in the twilight. Life is actually, pretty darn nice, all things considered.

All I seek is people play by the rules of the rhetorical game, Digger. That REALLY seems to p*** off some posters who think their hunches are the full measure of reality. Look up Hitchens' Razor, you'll understand.
You think Liverpool will win the league? Or Chelsea sneak up the inside?
 

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Digger said:
You think Liverpool will win the league? Or Chelsea sneak up the inside?
You're a good man, digger ;-) thanks.

Liverpool, all the way. Sticks in my craw as a mufc man, but GErrard deserves it, and Rodgers only needs a draw from jose
 
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red_flanders said:
Your "work" has been a little more emphatic on the Sky thread.

Sky: 660 posts (and counting)
Dan Martin: 28

But of course the pre-factored excuse that the BS is on the Sky thread. Not that you're on a crusade to shout down everyone who suspects them.

Once again the idea of a preponderance of evidence sails past you.

If you can't see a difference between what you're doing on this thread versus the occasional post RE: Dan Martin or Quintana (I didn't bother looking), maybe it's time to step back and take a deep breath.

You're railing for a standard of proof that no one, not the other participants (95% of the people in the discussion) are interested in, or that the board requires. Or that the discussion warrants.

Keep on railing Martin. Keep on thread-clogging.
Good post.

I dont see much difference between the sky thread and the Horner threads.
Lots of people calling them dopers in both threads. Yet he has the grand total of 0 posts in the Horner thread.

Quite obvious that he has an agenda.
 
martinvickers said:
No, you don't. Merely stating your opinion, however deeply held, as though it is fact is not only against the rules of the forum, even as 'refined' by Afrank, more to the point it's in reality about as effective as sticking your tongue out and blowing a raspberry.

And your personal certainty is the measure of absolutely nothing. Nada. Zilch.

And since you know so much about your own name, why don't you look up your nomme de guerre, specifically Hitchen's razor, for exactly how we have to treat your unevidenced expressions of certainty. There's a good lad.
You're wrong here, and you know it. There is plenty of evidence to support Hitch's opinion, so what you call Hitchen's razor doesn't apply here.
 
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My position and a question for all the fence sitters out there.

Sky - undecided whether there is team involvement in doping, not convinced they are being as transparent as they could be, which just creates suspicion

Wiggins - I actually like his personality so I hope he is clean but wouldn't fall off my chair if he wasn't , I don't find his transformation to a GC rider that unbelievable

Froome - I wish I could time travel 20 years to the future, just to know! I would fall off my chair if he turned out clean.

The question - what would it take to convince you of guilt?

For me, without a positive test, it would only be confessions from teammates or coaches, or a team employee being caught with a bag full of EPO. Analysis of performance will only ever get me 50% convinced, but an accumulation of evidence does have some merits, no?
 

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Netserk said:
You're wrong here, and you know it. There is plenty of evidence to support Hitch's opinion, so what you call Hitchen's razor doesn't apply here.
Then I'm afraid you don't understand Hitchen's Razor.
 
martinvickers said:
Then I'm afraid you don't understand Hitchen's Razor.
"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."

What you seem to miss is that the assertion that Sky riders are doping is supported by evidence.

You however seem not to understand it, or unwilling to, and reading proof instead of evidence.
 
martinvickers said:
You're a good man, digger ;-) thanks.

Liverpool, all the way. Sticks in my craw as a mufc man, but GErrard deserves it, and Rodgers only needs a draw from jose
Steve Peters is currently one of the most influential men in sport.
Of course he could have just have filled his pockets with the contents of Sky's medicine cabinet, and jumped on the train to Liverpool. ;)

Doping may well be a reason for some riders success at Sky, but Peters' influence is way more than marginal.......
 

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red_flanders said:
I think you nailed it.
I find the stalking particularly sweet, boys. Honestly. No man playing or baiting there at all. Nah. none.

There are no posts in the Horner thread for the simple reason I've barely read it. I have very little doubt if I did, there's be the same levels of bullsh!t from the same handful of sources. But the truth is, I haven't read it, so I can't really comment in it, can I?

I can only deal with one turd at a time, guys.
 
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