Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[staubsauger]

Froome just never had access to neither the stuff or the system pre being 26. Before he barely raced on real professional level with opportunities for himself in Europe. And in fact he definitely has had some bilharzia issues although he pretty much might've used that in his favor later on.

Refer him to Berzin or Rasmussen. That would make sense. Compare him to Armstrong actually is a bit harsh. Even trough the dog as well gets some UCI support. But Armstrong really had the character of an complete *******! Froome at least seems to be a pretty kind personality besides during his clash with Wiggins, maybe.

 

[wrinklyvet]

Not just in cycling. Many in business were happy to promote that a 10-20% year on year increase in market values were the new normal.

Whilst there's a still a good news story in Sky doing it clean, which sells copy, I don't believe anyone will be writing against them. Only on Twitter and perhaps here. The mass capitulation of Lance fans after his demise suggests they always knew they just weren't willing to admit it.

Froome is even more obvious than Armstrong. My sense is it won't take much to tip the believers into non-believers. Just needs a UCI insider to make it happen lke TUE-gate.

I'd give it one to two years.

One or two years ago, people were giving it one or two years. We'll see (or not).

 

[sniper]

One or two years ago, people were giving it one or two years. We'll see (or not).

can somebody hack David Walsh's webcam and record his face when he reads about it?
i'd pay to see his face when the **** hits the fan...

 

[wansteadimp]

Not just in cycling. Many in business were happy to promote that a 10-20% year on year increase in market values were the new normal.

Whilst there's a still a good news story in Sky doing it clean, which sells copy, I don't believe anyone will be writing against them. Only on Twitter and perhaps here. The mass capitulation of Lance fans after his demise suggests they always knew they just weren't willing to admit it.

Froome is even more obvious than Armstrong. My sense is it won't take much to tip the believers into non-believers. Just needs a UCI insider to make it happen lke TUE-gate.

I'd give it one to two years.

Froome wouldn't tip anything, the narrative would become he was doing it on his own, even if Rup & Brailsford were stood there holding the syringe for him.

Wiggo on the other hand would really upset the apple cart with the general public.

Froome's the Kenyan guy that screwed Sir Brad as far as most Brits are concerned.

 

[rick james]

Froome wouldn't tip anything, the narrative would become he was doing it on his own, even if Rup & Brailsford were stood there holding the syringe for him.

Wiggo on the other hand would really upset the apple cart with the general public.

Froome's the Kenyan guy that screwed Sir Brad as far as most Brits are concerned.

And you know this how??

 

[Benotti69]

And you know this how??

We saw it when he dropped Wiggins on the climb in the '12TdF

 

[the sceptic]

One or two years ago, people were giving it one or two years. We'll see (or not).

worked with a banned doping doctor and got an illegal TUE from the UCI.

I'd say it's about the same as Lance around 2001.

I hope you enjoy sky while it lasts, but they are going to crash and burn eventually.

 

[wansteadimp]

And you know this how??

Question 73737 on the last Census.

 

[ebandit]

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worked with a banned doping doctor and got an illegal TUE from the UCI.

I'd say it's about the same as Lance around 2001.

I hope you enjoy sky while it lasts, but they are going to crash and burn eventually.

was the doctor banned when working with team sky?

was discrepancies with tue any fault of team sky?

facts.....................darned facts......................burn baby burn

Mark L

 

[the sceptic]

was the doctor banned when working with team sky?

was discrepancies with tue any fault of team sky?

facts.....................darned facts......................burn baby burn

Mark L

To be fair to Lance, he wasn't as obvious of a doper as Froome and Wiggins.

What's next Mark? It's not skys fault that they are turning Froome into a chemical experiment?

Perhaps you should take off those british tinted glasses and stop being such a doping apologist.

 

[ebandit]

perhaps

What's next Mark? It's not skys fault that they are turning Froome into a chemical experiment?

Perhaps you should take off those british tinted glasses and stop being such a doping apologist.

but you fail to answer my questions..................what is the gain in

misrepresenting facts?.......if team sky are doping they will sooner or

later shoot themselves in the foot

only apology should be from anyone aiming to mislead their fellow members

on our forum

Mark L

 

[the sceptic]

but you fail to answer my questions..................what is the gain in

misrepresenting facts?.......if team sky are doping they will sooner or

later shoot themselves in the foot

only apology should be from anyone aiming to mislead their fellow members

on our forum

Mark L

Your questions are pointless and irrelevant.

I'm not interested in getting trolled by your nonsense Mark. Get back to me when you have something relevant to contribute.

 

[thehog]

if team sky are doping they will sooner or later shoot themselves in the foot

MaL

When microdosing generally you'd will shoot into a small roll of skin on the stomach.

Shooting up into your foot or between your toes is only for hardcore addicts.

 

[ebandit]

pathetic

Your questions are pointless and irrelevant.

I'm not interested in getting trolled by your nonsense Mark. Get back to me when you have something relevant to contribute.

what a pathetic attempt to deflect from your selective representation of facts

..............if my 'nonsense' is trolling report it...........if not...........shut up

Mark L

 

[Netserk]

was the doctor banned when working with team sky?

was discrepancies with tue any fault of team sky?

facts.....................darned facts......................burn baby burn

Mark L

Was Ferrari banned in 2001? Or was he at any time while working with Lance banned from working with him?

 

[the sceptic]

what a pathetic attempt to deflect from your selective representation of facts

..............if my 'nonsense' is trolling report it...........if not...........shut up

Mark L

The facts are that sky cheated with the help of the UCI to let Froome dope when he was pretending to be sick. Much like Armstrong got help to cover up his doping as well.

Both worked with doping doctors who were later banned, so I feel that part is fairly accurate as well Mark.

So to sum up in case you missed it, Sky are very similar to US postal, except that maybe US postal was a little less blatant and obvious with their doping.

 

[ebandit]

to be fair

so I feel that part is fairly accurate as well Mark.

your 'fairly' accurate.......................and you call me a troll?

Mark L

 

[Netserk]

your 'fairly' accurate.......................and you call me a troll?

Mark L

Was Ferrari banned from working with Lance in their time together or not?

Yes or no will do. Easy question.

 

[thehog]

Was Ferrari banned in 2001? Or was he at any time while working with Lance banned from working with him?

True. Wasn't too much on Ferrari in 2001. A lot of rumours. Cyclists engage with such people for good reason. Performance enhancement.

 

[the sceptic]

your 'fairly' accurate.......................and you call me a troll?

Mark L

My initial point was that Sky after 3 years are not very different from Postal in the same time frame.

I have yet to see you make any argument that disproves my point Mark. All you did was come up with some extremely weak attempts at nitpicking that a 6 year old could see through.

 

[del1962]

To be fair to Lance, he wasn't as obvious of a doper as Froome and Wiggins.

What's next Mark? It's not skys fault that they are turning Froome into a chemical experiment?

Perhaps you should take off those british tinted glasses and stop being such a doping apologist.

I know I am feeding a troll here against my better judgement, but werent the simeoni and bassons incidents and the dsiposal of products in the bins what made Lance and his USPostal team obvious.

Anyway I have had my say, troll away

 

[pmcg76]

Was Ferrari banned in 2001? Or was he at any time while working with Lance banned from working with him?

Don't think he was banned at that time but was under ongoing investigation for doping practices.

Ferrari already had a rep as far back as the 94 EPO comparison to OJ remarks. Remember he was Gewiss doctor and was then removed from the team after his comments. Then there were the remarks in Willy Voets book about Ferrari which was 99/00. Cannot remember if Simeoni had testified by then either.

Ferrari was high profile during the 90s as he worked with so many riders. As Voet related, he was considered 'the myth'. In comparison most people including myself didn't even know who Leinders was until after he was at SKY and the rumours started. Cue lots of posters now claiming otherwise they knew all about him.

 

[the sceptic]

I know I am feeding a troll here against my better judgement, but werent the simeoni and bassons incidents and the dsiposal of products in the bins what made Lance and his USPostal team obvious.

Anyway I have had my say, troll away

Us postal were pretty obvious yes. But so are sky.

And Lance had a lot more talent than Froome and Wiggins could ever dream of. Another fact.

 

[thehog]

In comparison most people including myself didn't even know who Leinders was until after he was at SKY and the rumours started. Cue lots of posters now claiming otherwise they knew all about him.

If you started following cycling when Sky started then, yes, you would'nt know much about Leinders.

He was well know and reports on him doping riders went way back into the early 2000's. By 2007 with Rasmussen he was well know.

I get why newbie Skyfans like yourself wouldn't know Leinders or much about cycling prior to Sky. No harm done.

 

[del1962]

Us postal were pretty obvious yes. But so are sky.

And Lance had a lot more talent than Froome and Wiggins could ever dream of. Another fact.

If you are claiming that as fact you are obviously trolling

Anyway I now know why you don't like Walsh.