Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[fmk_RoI]

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the fax said that he used to get bullied by the bad boys in Switzerland...fatty froome they called him

"who ate all the toblerones" was another one shouted on training runs

I thought it was him what was the bully, trying to get the others to dearest comrade for him like what they did in school in SA?

a fair point...he probably would have fed their marmottes to a snake

Covered in Marmite too. Marmite marmottes - it even sounds delish.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/exclusive-team-sky-riders-consider-asking-brailsford-to-resign/
url says it all

Oh come on. That's either Henao bitter about sitting out a season or Deignan trying to stir it up for Lizzie. My money's on the Donegal Democrat's favorite cyclist.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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the fax said that he used to get bullied by the bad boys in Switzerland...fatty froome they called him

"who ate all the toblerones" was another one shouted on training runs

I thought it was him what was the bully, trying to get the others to dearest comrade for him like what they did in school in SA?

he also wrestled anacondas, and fed them the guinea pigs from the kindergarten across the road.

PETA are launching a civil suit

Peta Todd? Jeeze, this is totally splitting along pro- and anti-Wiggo lines now.

 

[S2Sturges]

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/exclusive-team-sky-riders-consider-asking-brailsford-to-resign/
url says it all

"According to a source among the riders, the continued questions over the team's credibility have started to impact on performance.

"There is a concern over the impact that this may have on the current season and the distraction it is all causing for Dave Brailsford and the other management," a Team Sky rider told Cyclingnews."

Sky lost plenty of credibility long before this blew in, I think this is a foolish to ask the guy who oversaw their dodgy marginal gains, which could have very much been a systematic doping system to resign...this tells me the riders want to dump on Dr Freeman and Brailsford and all play innocent schoolboys, when indeed they all very well could have been complicit... Called saving one's own backside...

 

[blackcat]

it is a limited hangout.

cut off a limb to save the body

 

[thehog]

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/exclusive-team-sky-riders-consider-asking-brailsford-to-resign/
url says it all

Michelle Cound the obvious successor

 

[blackcat]

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/exclusive-team-sky-riders-consider-asking-brailsford-to-resign/
url says it all

Michelle Cound the obvious successor

#MotoWOMAN #ftw

 

[MatParker117]

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/exclusive-team-sky-riders-consider-asking-brailsford-to-resign/
url says it all

Right now, for SDB personally, the best scenario is one where he takes the fall, gets sacked or resigns, whilst he takes the heat off his riders.
His job? **** it. Much more important is that the riders who won him four TdFs get to keep those TdFs.
If Wiggins and Froome would get properly exposed, he'd loose his job anyway.

So Brailsford will take the fall, and he will do so voluntarily, make no mistake.
But, mind: Sky will make it look like David Walsh and the riders pushed him out.
Once SDB's gone, Walsh et al. will continue to pretend that there were 'a few bad apples' that have now been taken care of, and everything's back to normal.

Brailsford's top priority now is to save those TdF wins, that he has so much money invested in. And they'll play a nice PR game along with it - the link you posted is part of that - where they try to make it look as if the rest of Team Sky is impeccable. Walsh is on board.

just my 2 cents of course.

Brian Smith is the likely successor, hell he's the only name that comes to mind.

 

[pastronef]

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/exclusive-team-sky-riders-consider-asking-brailsford-to-resign/
url says it all

Right now, for SDB personally, the best scenario is one where he takes the fall, gets sacked or resigns, whilst he takes the heat off his riders.
His job? **** it. Much more important is that the riders who won him four TdFs get to keep those TdFs.
If Wiggins and Froome would get properly exposed, he'd loose his job anyway.

So Brailsford will take the fall, and he will do so voluntarily, make no mistake.
But, mind: Sky will make it look like David Walsh and the riders pushed him out.
Once SDB's gone, Walsh et al. will continue to pretend that there were 'a few bad apples' that have now been taken care of, and everything's back to normal.

Brailsford's top priority now is to save those TdF wins, that he has so much money invested in. And they'll play a nice PR game along with it - the link you posted is part of that - where they try to make it look as if the rest of Team Sky is impeccable. Walsh is on board.

just my 2 cents of course.

Brian Smith is the likely successor, hell he's the only name that comes to mind.

that´s ok, I´d like that

 

[sniper]

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/exclusive-team-sky-riders-consider-asking-brailsford-to-resign/
url says it all

Right now, for SDB personally, the best scenario is one where he takes the fall, gets sacked or resigns, whilst he takes the heat off his riders.
His job? **** it. Much more important is that the riders who won him four TdFs get to keep those TdFs.
If Wiggins and Froome would get properly exposed, he'd loose his job anyway.

So Brailsford will take the fall, and he will do so voluntarily, make no mistake.
But, mind: Sky will make it look like David Walsh and the riders pushed him out.
Once SDB's gone, Walsh et al. will continue to pretend that there were 'a few bad apples' that have now been taken care of, and everything's back to normal.

Brailsford's top priority now is to save those TdF wins, that he has so much money invested in. And they'll play a nice PR game along with it - the link you posted is part of that - where they try to make it look as if the rest of Team Sky is impeccable. Walsh is on board.

just my 2 cents of course.

Brian Smith is the likely successor, hell he's the only name that comes to mind.

that´s ok, I´d like that

It's by all means a decent guess.
some actually still believe he rode clean and never saw and heard nothing, so he definitely fits the bill.
he can play vaughters game.

 

[BYOP88]

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/exclusive-team-sky-riders-consider-asking-brailsford-to-resign/
url says it all

Right now, for SDB personally, the best scenario is one where he takes the fall, gets sacked or resigns, whilst he takes the heat off his riders.
His job? **** it. Much more important is that the riders who won him four TdFs get to keep those TdFs.
If Wiggins and Froome would get properly exposed, he'd loose his job anyway.

So Brailsford will take the fall, and he will do so voluntarily, make no mistake.
But, mind: Sky will make it look like David Walsh and the riders pushed him out.
Once SDB's gone, Walsh et al. will continue to pretend that there were 'a few bad apples' that have now been taken care of, and everything's back to normal.

Brailsford's top priority now is to save those TdF wins, that he has so much money invested in. And they'll play a nice PR game along with it - the link you posted is part of that - where they try to make it look as if the rest of Team Sky is impeccable. Walsh is on board.

just my 2 cents of course.

Brian Smith is the likely successor, hell he's the only name that comes to mind.

that´s ok, I´d like that

It's by all means a decent guess.
some actually still believe he rode clean and never saw and heard nothing, so he definitely fits the bill.
he can play vaughters game.

Wasn't he the one who said that Lance didn't dope/suggest doping before Lance confessed, then changed his tune after the confession? (Or have I got the wrong guy).

 

[sniper]

That's the guy indeed.
Rode for Banana Falcon and Motorola.
Was a long time Armstrong defender. Until the reasoned decision, of course. Then pretended he always knew lance was a cheat.

In 2014 he tried to sign G:
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/racing/tour-de-france/mtn-qhubeka-we-tried-to-sign-geraint-thomas-183149

 

[MatParker117]

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That's the guy indeed.
Rode for Banana Falcon and Motorola.
Was a long time Armstrong defender. Until the reasoned decision, of course. Then pretended he always knew lance was a cheat.

In 2014 he tried to sign G:
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/racing/tour-de-france/mtn-qhubeka-we-tried-to-sign-geraint-thomas-183149

To be fair prior to the reasoned decision going after him was a death sentence for your cycling career.

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/exclusive-team-sky-riders-consider-asking-brailsford-to-resign/
url says it all

Right now, for SDB personally, the best scenario is one where he takes the fall, gets sacked or resigns, whilst he takes the heat off his riders.
His job? **** it. Much more important is that the riders who won him four TdFs get to keep those TdFs.
If Wiggins and Froome would get properly exposed, he'd loose his job anyway.

So Brailsford will take the fall, and he will do so voluntarily, make no mistake.
But, mind: Sky will make it look like David Walsh and the riders pushed him out.
Once SDB's gone, Walsh et al. will continue to pretend that there were 'a few bad apples' that have now been taken care of, and everything's back to normal.

Brailsford's top priority now is to save those TdF wins, that he has so much money invested in. And they'll play a nice PR game along with it - the link you posted is part of that - where they try to make it look as if the rest of Team Sky is impeccable. Walsh is on board.

just my 2 cents of course.

Brian Smith is the likely successor, hell he's the only name that comes to mind.

that´s ok, I´d like that

It's by all means a decent guess.
some actually still believe he rode clean and never saw and heard nothing, so he definitely fits the bill.
he can play vaughters game.

A public Lance apologist. Nice

 

[Electress]

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Plenty of 'old' episodes the press need to revisit in light of the latest revelations.

1. Vuelta 2010, Team Sky falls sick, Txema dies.

2. Biarritz 2004, Millar gets arrested, Brailsford and Fran claim not to have known anything about Millar's doping, a claim supported by Millar of course.

3. The whole u23 British Cycling franchise in Quarrata, Tuscany, from 2005 (iinm) onwards.

4. Linda McCartney, obviously.

5. Brian's son Oliver at Team Sky.

6. Froome's bilharzia and 2007 Fax.

And a shitload more.

Is there a link to a good consolidation of this stuff? I've tried to make it through some of the threads, but there's a loooot in there. For example, the fax - what's the deal with that?

Ah, the fax, the fax! Ole Froomie's pre-transformation test results, magically dug out of a dusty ole filing cabinet at UCI towers, after the tenacious, Maigret-style detective skills of The Cound! That provided irrefutable evidence that Froome's engine was there all along, he just needed to lose the fat

Somewhere, Hog showed an image of all the things that were 'inexplicable' about it - like odd bits cut and pasted over ring binder holes and bits in bold in one version and not another...not that this in any way challenges its authenticity at all.

Can't see that Brailsford won't go, but I suspect he'll be negotiating an exit deal. He falls on his sword, the wagons have circled, and he reappears with a nice fat sinecure in a few years time.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/exclusive-team-sky-riders-consider-asking-brailsford-to-resign/
url says it all

Right now, for SDB personally, the best scenario is one where he takes the fall, gets sacked or resigns, whilst he takes the heat off his riders.
His job? **** it. Much more important is that the riders who won him four TdFs get to keep those TdFs.
If Wiggins and Froome would get properly exposed, he'd loose his job anyway.

So Brailsford will take the fall, and he will do so voluntarily, make no mistake.
But, mind: Sky will make it look like David Walsh and the riders pushed him out.
Once SDB's gone, Walsh et al. will continue to pretend that there were 'a few bad apples' that have now been taken care of, and everything's back to normal.

Brailsford's top priority now is to save those TdF wins, that he has so much money invested in. And they'll play a nice PR game along with it - the link you posted is part of that - where they try to make it look as if the rest of Team Sky is impeccable. Walsh is on board.

just my 2 cents of course.

Does Brailsford need to be at races?

Can he delegate by phone, tablet etc and not be seen to delegate?

I would've thought that Sky are well able to stage a stepdown but rather Brailsford steps back into the shadows and continues to run things.

 

[Electress]

Re: Re:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/exclusive-team-sky-riders-consider-asking-brailsford-to-resign/
url says it all

Right now, for SDB personally, the best scenario is one where he takes the fall, gets sacked or resigns, whilst he takes the heat off his riders.
His job? **** it. Much more important is that the riders who won him four TdFs get to keep those TdFs.
If Wiggins and Froome would get properly exposed, he'd loose his job anyway.

So Brailsford will take the fall, and he will do so voluntarily, make no mistake.
But, mind: Sky will make it look like David Walsh and the riders pushed him out.
Once SDB's gone, Walsh et al. will continue to pretend that there were 'a few bad apples' that have now been taken care of, and everything's back to normal.

Brailsford's top priority now is to save those TdF wins, that he has so much money invested in. And they'll play a nice PR game along with it - the link you posted is part of that - where they try to make it look as if the rest of Team Sky is impeccable. Walsh is on board.

just my 2 cents of course.

Does Brailsford need to be at races?

Can he delegate by phone, tablet etc and not be seen to delegate?

I would've thought that Sky are well able to stage a stepdown but rather Brailsford steps back into the shadows and continues to run things.

They have to be seen to 'draw the line', book-end the narrative. The Rogue Doctor isn't going to be enough. I think they need a senior head on a platter to make this thing go away.

 

[DanielSong39]

Re: Sky

If Sky stops the bogus PR and Chris Froome finishes runner-up in the Tour de France while not using any motors, all will be forgiven.

I want them to keep racing (though it will probably be under an different brand name).

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/exclusive-team-sky-riders-consider-asking-brailsford-to-resign/
url says it all

Right now, for SDB personally, the best scenario is one where he takes the fall, gets sacked or resigns, whilst he takes the heat off his riders.
His job? **** it. Much more important is that the riders who won him four TdFs get to keep those TdFs.
If Wiggins and Froome would get properly exposed, he'd loose his job anyway.

So Brailsford will take the fall, and he will do so voluntarily, make no mistake.
But, mind: Sky will make it look like David Walsh and the riders pushed him out.
Once SDB's gone, Walsh et al. will continue to pretend that there were 'a few bad apples' that have now been taken care of, and everything's back to normal.

Brailsford's top priority now is to save those TdF wins, that he has so much money invested in. And they'll play a nice PR game along with it - the link you posted is part of that - where they try to make it look as if the rest of Team Sky is impeccable. Walsh is on board.

just my 2 cents of course.

Does Brailsford need to be at races?

Can he delegate by phone, tablet etc and not be seen to delegate?

I would've thought that Sky are well able to stage a stepdown but rather Brailsford steps back into the shadows and continues to run things.

Alastair Campbell will have this sorted.

He may have to go so the press refrain from digging.

I still see Rupert pulling the pin. Will it be before or after the Tour? Well, this is tiddlywinks, no one cares about cycling in S&P500. And the NewsCorp/21CFox complete takeover is big boys toys, not dismal science cycling.

Will the press push it to make Rupert pay from 5 years back?

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/exclusive-team-sky-riders-consider-asking-brailsford-to-resign/
url says it all

Right now, for SDB personally, the best scenario is one where he takes the fall, gets sacked or resigns, whilst he takes the heat off his riders.
His job? **** it. Much more important is that the riders who won him four TdFs get to keep those TdFs.
If Wiggins and Froome would get properly exposed, he'd loose his job anyway.

So Brailsford will take the fall, and he will do so voluntarily, make no mistake.
But, mind: Sky will make it look like David Walsh and the riders pushed him out.
Once SDB's gone, Walsh et al. will continue to pretend that there were 'a few bad apples' that have now been taken care of, and everything's back to normal.

Brailsford's top priority now is to save those TdF wins, that he has so much money invested in. And they'll play a nice PR game along with it - the link you posted is part of that - where they try to make it look as if the rest of Team Sky is impeccable. Walsh is on board.

just my 2 cents of course.

Does Brailsford need to be at races?

Can he delegate by phone, tablet etc and not be seen to delegate?

I would've thought that Sky are well able to stage a stepdown but rather Brailsford steps back into the shadows and continues to run things.

They have to be seen to 'draw the line', book-end the narrative. The Rogue Doctor isn't going to be enough. I think they need a senior head on a platter to make this thing go away.

Do the riders like Brailsford? If they dont he will be gone. If they do he will be shuffled back out of sight pulling strings at a distance. Sky have won a lot of TdFs with Brailsford and they probably wont want to change that. But if he is toxic and that will depend on the media, it appears Walsh is out to get Brailsford and that would seem Sky/Murdochs want him to resign rather than pay to make him go away. Brailsford falling on his sword would also show the next guy that dont pay off the mistakes.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/exclusive-team-sky-riders-consider-asking-brailsford-to-resign/
url says it all

Right now, for SDB personally, the best scenario is one where he takes the fall, gets sacked or resigns, whilst he takes the heat off his riders.
His job? **** it. Much more important is that the riders who won him four TdFs get to keep those TdFs.
If Wiggins and Froome would get properly exposed, he'd loose his job anyway.

So Brailsford will take the fall, and he will do so voluntarily, make no mistake.
But, mind: Sky will make it look like David Walsh and the riders pushed him out.
Once SDB's gone, Walsh et al. will continue to pretend that there were 'a few bad apples' that have now been taken care of, and everything's back to normal.

Brailsford's top priority now is to save those TdF wins, that he has so much money invested in. And they'll play a nice PR game along with it - the link you posted is part of that - where they try to make it look as if the rest of Team Sky is impeccable. Walsh is on board.

just my 2 cents of course.

Does Brailsford need to be at races?

Can he delegate by phone, tablet etc and not be seen to delegate?

I would've thought that Sky are well able to stage a stepdown but rather Brailsford steps back into the shadows and continues to run things.

They have to be seen to 'draw the line', book-end the narrative. The Rogue Doctor isn't going to be enough. I think they need a senior head on a platter to make this thing go away.

Do the riders like Brailsford? If they dont he will be gone. If they do he will be shuffled back out of sight pulling strings at a distance. Sky have won a lot of TdFs with Brailsford and they probably wont want to change that. But if he is toxic and that will depend on the media, it appears Walsh is out to get Brailsford and that would seem Sky/Murdochs want him to resign rather than pay to make him go away. Brailsford falling on his sword would also show the next guy that dont pay off the mistakes.

ask JTL

in my opinion, it is only fair that he gets his ride back on Sky, a berth on the A team, and all the "support" required.

I am sick of scapegoats

 

[Beech Mtn]

Perhaps Sky can merge with Vaughters' team

 

[Dan2016]

Someone mentioned Fran Millar. Out of morbid curiosity I just had a look at her tweetering. Jesus Christ! What a bubble these people live in. Self indulgent Sky corporate guff. I feel nauseated and a little dirty.

Is there any way back from Corporate juggernauts with their endless corporate sheep-mind brainwashing taking over? (rhetorical)

 

[BYOP88]

Sky riders busy tweeting their support of Brailsford.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

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Perhaps Sky can merge with Vaughters' team

This is a great Idea. Maybe Bobby J. and Lance A. can be the DS and Assistant DS.

On a more pointed part. Where is Greg, Betsy, and the rest of the gang stand on all this. USA cycling fans would like to know. So far all I hear are Parakeets.