Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Nocontest]

Erm , just check Rolland's last ITT in the tour, he came 73rd 5'34'' behind. He's supposed to be a top 5 contender. You can't tell me that losing 5 and half minutes on a ITT is being pretty good at ITT. Sorry, just no.

Also I never said a pure climber can't be good at ITT. I just stated that Rolland and Pinot are primarily climbers , and simply compared with Froome and Wiggins, but yeah sure let's all not question froome's TTing and compare him with the likes of Anquetil, Hinault etc.

Also you're contradicting yourself completely in your post. Telling me that rolland is pretty good for a pure climber at ITT coming 5'34 behind, and then telling me how loads of climbers would be up there with wiggins on the ITT times

I did say 'usually', he did ok in the final TT last year when he had to perform. Perhaps you could tell me where I said 'loads of climbers would be up there with Wiggins' What I said is that it is nonsense to suggest...as you did..that being both a good climber AND good at the ITT 'defied' some rule of cycling. The riders I mentioned show that is not the case and therefore you assertion is incorrect. Don't try and read in to it any more than that. Also Wiggins is not unbeatable, he has been beaten many times in both climbs and ITT's. Just because he is winning this race does not make him unbeatable per se.

 

[taiwan]

you are a classic! To avoid confusing you further...no, I am talking from 2005 till now

A steady progression that took place secretly, until 2009, in the laughing group.

 

[AcademyCC]

Edvald Boasson Hagen is a monster

Im not on these forums that often so apologies if this has been gone over before but do people think Cavendish is doping aswell?

 

[sniper]

to make a

Im not on these forums that often so apologies if this has been gone over before but do people think Cavendish is doping aswell?

to answer your enquiry in a precise yet straightforward fashion, to avoid superfluous digressions, and to make an unneccessarily long story as concise as possible:

yes.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Ben Johnson and Doping

A documentary on Ben Johnson and doping in USA athletics on BBC the other night - reminded me of the GB scene we are witnessing at present.

The Race that Shocked the World. aka Tour de France 2012.

http://slumz.boxden.com/f16/1988-olympics-race-shocked-world-documentary-video-1786893/

 

[sniper]

Im not on these forums that often so apologies if this has been gone over before but do people think Cavendish is doping aswell?

to answer your enquiry in a precise, concise, yet straightforward fashion:

yes.

 

[TheGeneral]

Bradley Wiggins will be the first "Belgian Born Cyclist" to win the Tour since
Lucien Van Impe in 1976. Half English. Half Australian. And Belgian born.

His fathers palmarès : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Wiggins

 

[badboygolf16v]

A steady progression that took place secretly, until 2009, in the laughing group.

Yeah, behind Robbie McEwen on GC in 2006..

 

[Ferminal]

Cav doesn't have much incentive to dope, at least before he had a home Olympics. He has such a huge advantage over his fellow sprinters that he doesn't really need to dope.

Look at Cav the last few years in M-SR compared to when he won, he's not the same. Methinks that Cav comes back on Box Hill.

 

[will10]

Cav doesn't have much incentive to dope, at least before he had a home Olympics. He has such a huge advantage over his fellow sprinters that he doesn't really need to dope.

Look at Cav the last few years in M-SR compared to when he won, he's not the same. Methinks that Cav comes back on Box Hill.

Cav doesn't have much incentive to be able to train harder, recover faster and get to the sprint fresher? Yeah right.

 

[D-Queued]

Cav doesn't have much incentive to dope, at least before he had a home Olympics. He has such a huge advantage over his fellow sprinters that he doesn't really need to dope.

Look at Cav the last few years in M-SR compared to when he won, he's not the same. Methinks that Cav comes back on Box Hill.

Cav doesn't have much incentive to be able to train harder, recover faster and get to the sprint fresher? Yeah right.

That must be tongue in cheek.

It must be nice to be so naturally gifted with 20%+ more power than your opponents. Surprised he doesn't single-leg pedal over the line.

Speaking of which, the best reaction was Sanchez who freewheeled and threw his arm in disgust when Cav went buy. Maybe we should ask him about Cav's 'natural' abilities.

A documentary on Ben Johnson and doping in USA athletics on BBC the other night - reminded me of the GB scene we are witnessing at present.

The Race that Shocked the World. aka Tour de France 2012.

http://slumz.boxden.com/f16/1988-olympics-race-shocked-world-documentary-video-1786893/

Ben didn't need to dope either. He was already the fastest guy.

Dave.

 

[2008885]

That must be tongue in cheek.
It must be nice to be so naturally gifted with 20%+ more power than your opponents.
Dave.

20%?? Really??

 

[D-Queued]

20%?? Really??

Something about the geometrically increasing resistance...

What was he doing?

At least 5k+ more than the best sprinters in the world?

Launched from 600m to go?

20% might be conservative.

Dave.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Speaking of which, the best reaction was Sanchez who freewheeled and threw his arm in disgust when Cav went buy. Maybe we should ask him about Cav's 'natural' abilities.

You really are becoming beyond laughable with your arguments. There are plenty of reasoned arguments made as to why people think Sky are doping. And then there are people like you.

 

[2008885]

Something about the geometrically increasing resistance...

What was he doing?

At least 5k+ more

Dave.

5k more what??

 

[FabulousCandelabra]

Ha ha, I just picture him crossing the line on his TT bike and punching that camera man in the face.. Or punching the TV lens, lol.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

Cav doesn't have much incentive to dope, at least before he had a home Olympics. He has such a huge advantage over his fellow sprinters that he doesn't really need to dope.

Look at Cav the last few years in M-SR compared to when he won, he's not the same. Methinks that Cav comes back on Box Hill.

Why do people insist on ignoring the fact that doping can improve your speed, not just endurance? Why only focus on blood doping? I don't get it. It doesn't matter if the sprint is after 200 km or 0 m, GH, test, insulin, SARMs and whatever else a cheating sprinter might take will make them faster, period.

 

[Ferminal]

Why do people insist on ignoring the fact that doping can improve your speed, not just endurance? Why only focus on blood doping? I don't get it. It doesn't matter if the sprint is after 200 km or 0 m, GH, test, insulin, SARMs and whatever else a cheating sprinter might take will make them faster, period.

Was it that hard?

He has such a huge advantage over his fellow sprinters that he doesn't really need to dope.

Where did I ever say doping was not useful for sprinters?

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

Was it that hard?

He has such a huge advantage over his fellow sprinters that he doesn't really need to dope.

Where did I ever say doping was not useful for sprinters?

That's like saying Twiggo and Skeletor have such a huge advantage over their fellow GC-riders that they don't need to dope.

 

[Franklin]

You spend years frothing at the mouth about Dr Evil and anyone whoever met his long lost nephews 2nd cousins next door neighbours chimp pets former lover,

So the accusations against LA were ridiculous as well? GOTCHA!

but as soon as the discredited and banned doc, who is named as a central player in the biggest sporting fraud in history, says something you think supports your baseless opinion, suddenly you latch onto it like a puppy dog. Hilarious!!! High cadence and fast vam? Sounds a bit like something Lance used to say innit? Here we go again with the Lance fanboys perpetuating the myth

So you are saying dr. ferrari doesn't know the trade? Or do you say his site is filled with innuendo (hint, you would be the first who questions the quality of that sit).

Does him being a crook somehow make him less of an expert? Or are you latching like a puppy on anything that supports your case?

Personally, I wouldn't trust a single word Ferrari says.

Being the ost succesful coach ever he might know more than you about this stuff... naah, he just made it up as he went along.

Krebs, you are a barrel of laughs, your claim there is nothing out of the ordinary is pure comedy gold

 

[D-Queued]

Was it that hard?

He has such a huge advantage over his fellow sprinters that he doesn't really need to dope.[¡]quite so much any more[/i]

Where did I ever say doping was not useful for sprinters?

Better.

I don't think you did say that.

Dave.

 

[Ferminal]

That's like saying Twiggo and Skeletor have such a huge advantage over their fellow GC-riders that they don't need to dope.

Nah, I don't buy into the accumulated marginal gains theory.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

So, does people still think Wiggans was in peak form at P-N and Romandie when he was neck and neck with Westra and Talansky in TT's?

 

[hrotha]

People will remember this Tour in the future and say it was tailor-made for Wiggins and that there weren't enough mountains to take back any time on him, so, for the record: no direct contender managed to take time from him on any mountain stage. He outclimbed all his rivals.

Except for one: his own teammate.

Wiggins beat Froome on the ITTs, but he beat everyone else in the mountains. Let's not forget that.

Today? The perfect summary of this farce.

 

[roundabout]

Or, to put it in another way, Wiggins didn't need the second ITT to win the Tour.