Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Koronin]

Viviani has done better since leaving Sky.

Uran has done alright.

Landa, well he always struggles the first year he's with a team, does better the 2nd year and changes teams.

 

[Benotti69]

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Uran did get the second step on the podium at the Tour after leaving Sky. Porte had a lot of success in major week long stage races but of course he still can't finish what he starts in grand tours.

Porte is an abject failure.

Uran did ok. But he may have won the Giro that Wiggins phucked up.

 

[Benotti69]

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JV needs to form a partnership with Tesla to keep up

Tesla are going out of business.

Hope Vaughters follows.

 

[Elagabalus]

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<<<SNIP>>>
The high cost of large severance payments for ex-employees, Froome’s defense bill, Wiggins fallout PR took its toll. Cheating became too expensive for Sky. Freeman’s suspension coming up soon would have been the last straw. Best to get ahead of the curve and let Wiggins and co. fight it out in the media.

Now all theses crappy doms who thought they had talent will be really crap and have to take a 20% pay cut at their next team - if they can find a next team.

Like Postal to Discovery?

 

[simoni]

Re: Re:

Uran did get the second step on the podium at the Tour after leaving Sky. Porte had a lot of success in major week long stage races but of course he still can't finish what he starts in grand tours.

Porte is an abject failure.

Uran did ok. But he may have won the Giro that Wiggins phucked up.

No sky agenda, but I like to call out crap when I see it. And this is crap. I

 

[hrotha]

Yeah, that kind of comment only shows that someone's blinded by bias.

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

Uran did get the second step on the podium at the Tour after leaving Sky. Porte had a lot of success in major week long stage races but of course he still can't finish what he starts in grand tours.

Porte is an abject failure.

Uran did ok. But he may have won the Giro that Wiggins phucked up.

No sky agenda, but I like to call out crap when I see it. And this is crap. I

Not really. Sure Porte was great in the one week stage races and as a domestique, but each time he had a chance to ride for himself at a GT he fell apart - see the 2014 TdF and 2015 Giro.

If Uran didn't have to babysit Wigans in the rain only for him to withdraw at the 2013 Giro, yes, Uran would have had a realistic chance at winning considering how the rest of the race turned out. You can't fluke second place in a GT with a time penalty like that.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Kick a team when it is down?

Blythe: We race on passion at Lotto not bullsh*t marginal gains
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/blythe-we-race-on-passion-at-lotto-not-***-marginal-gains/

 

[rick james]

Ok

Marginal gain with Sky = win *** loads

Adam Blythe speak about no marginal gains *** = he’s won f#ck all


Next question please

 

[CTQ]

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Kick a team when it is down?

Blythe: We race on passion at Lotto not bullsh*t marginal gains
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/blythe-we-race-on-passion-at-lotto-not-***-marginal-gains/

a kind of marginal gains perharps........http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lotto-soudal-boss-defends-ethics-as-de-gendt-uses-altitude-tent-ahead-of-dauphine/

 

[Parker]

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Kick a team when it is down?

Blythe: We race on passion at Lotto not bullsh*t marginal gains
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/blythe-we-race-on-passion-at-lotto-not-***-marginal-gains/

Blythe talks as though he's a rider with Boonenesque palmares rather than someone who got a job at Lotto because Ben Swift turned them down.

Also he's unlikely to kick Sky seeing as his partner and mother of his child has worked for Sky throughout their existence

 

[rick james]

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Kick a team when it is down?

Blythe: We race on passion at Lotto not bullsh*t marginal gains
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/blythe-we-race-on-passion-at-lotto-not-***-marginal-gains/

a kind of marginal gains perharps........http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lotto-soudal-boss-defends-ethics-as-de-gendt-uses-altitude-tent-ahead-of-dauphine/

 

[gillan1969]

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Ok

Marginal gain with Sky = win **** loads

Adam Blythe speak about no marginal gains *** = he’s won f#ck all


Next question please

my mate drinks ten pints then always blames the fresh air when he leaves the pub for him feeling....er...'tired and emotional'

so...question...is it the fresh air or is it the pints?

 

[Eyeballs Out]

Re: Re:

Ok

Marginal gain with Sky = win **** loads

Adam Blythe speak about no marginal gains *** = he’s won f#ck all


Next question please

my mate drinks ten pints then always blames the fresh air when he leaves the pub for him feeling....er...'tired and emotional'

so...question...is it the fresh air or is it the pints?

"my mate"

 

[samhocking]

Re: Re:

Kick a team when it is down?

Blythe: We race on passion at Lotto not bullsh*t marginal gains
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/blythe-we-race-on-passion-at-lotto-not-***-marginal-gains/

a kind of marginal gains perharps........http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lotto-soudal-boss-defends-ethics-as-de-gendt-uses-altitude-tent-ahead-of-dauphine/

Seems Blythe picked the wrong team. Kevin De Weert in search of marginal gains story:

https://plus.lesoir.be/196108/article/2018-12-17/lotto-soudal-veut-ameliorer-ses-competences

 

[Robert5091]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...ctor-richard-freeman-medical-tribunal-delayed

Geraint Thomas says cycling now ‘one of the cleanest sports around’

Ok, the Mods can close down the Clinic! G has spoken.

 

[Koronin]

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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...ctor-richard-freeman-medical-tribunal-delayed

Geraint Thomas says cycling now ‘one of the cleanest sports around’

Ok, the Mods can close down the Clinic! G has spoken.

LOL, I think the new NFL thread just proved that the clinic needs to stay open and that other sports have a lot more doping going on than cycling likely does. :lol: :lol:

 

[The Hegelian]

This Freeman thing is pretty big. If he's gets suspended then we have hard, legal, substantive and irrefutable evidence of doping practices at BS and Sky.

That has always been the retort by the defenders: "Show me the actual evidence."

Well, be careful what you wish for!

How many bullets have been dodged so far? Sooner or later, one will get through, and I reckon this will be the one.

 

[MartinGT]

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This Freeman thing is pretty big. If he's gets suspended then we have hard, legal, substantive and irrefutable evidence of doping practices at BS and Sky.

That has always been the retort by the defenders: "Show me the actual evidence."

Well, be careful what you wish for!

How many bullets have been dodged so far? Sooner or later, one will get through, and I reckon this will be the one.

He could get suspended for a manner of things, it doesnt mean that it HARD evidence of Sky doping IMO.

 

[Robert5091]

The problem is that the doc can claim any dodgy substances were for staff not riders and as there are no records ... The only certain thing he'll get done for is for bad record keeping.

 

[rick james]

Re: Re:

This Freeman thing is pretty big. If he's gets suspended then we have hard, legal, substantive and irrefutable evidence of doping practices at BS and Sky.

That has always been the retort by the defenders: "Show me the actual evidence."

Well, be careful what you wish for!

How many bullets have been dodged so far? Sooner or later, one will get through, and I reckon this will be the one.

He could get suspended for a manner of things, it doesnt mean that it HARD evidence of Sky doping IMO.

Lies, it’s doping, it’s always doping

 

[The Hegelian]

It's loads of testosterone covertly delivered to the head cycling doctor in the bloody main British Cycling velodrome!

Does anyone seriously think it is some weird tin-foil-hat conspiracy to make an inference about doping?? Bearing in mind of course, the British Parliament itself initiated this, and it is being pursued by the medical board.

You have to be rather tin-foil-hat to infer otherwise.

 

[yaco]

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It's loads of testosterone covertly delivered to the head cycling doctor in the bloody main British Cycling velodrome!

Does anyone seriously think it is some weird tin-foil-hat conspiracy to make an inference about doping?? Bearing in mind of course, the British Parliament itself initiated this, and it is being pursued by the medical board.

You have to be rather tin-foil-hat to infer otherwise.

Except the reality is that unless an athlete is silly enough to dob themselves in for doping, then the best scenario for UKAD is the provision where an athlete support person commits an anti-doping violation for having banned substances at their premises.

 

[macbindle]

Who says it was a Team Sky programme? It might have been a Richard Freeman programme.

That is the thing about doping, even if a given team's management are completely ethical (Not Sky :lol: ) there isn't a lot they can do if one cyclist decides to go and dope.

We have to be careful drawing conclusions, after all, if the reports about other Sky doctors trying to stop Freeman doping....ahem, I mean treating...Wiggins are true it would suggest that some or most of them were acting ethically.

 

[Robert5091]

Dr Alan Farrell would be interesting to hear - http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-...-fourth-tue-for-bradley-wiggins-sunday-times/