Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Libertine Seguros]

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Back to bitching it seems, again it looks like winning a race gets more attention than actually getting busted for EPO

So... somebody comments on Tao winning races, consensus view is that actually it seems like logical development for a guy who's shown his talent at a young age. Somebody posts a picture querying something in a picture that looks odd, this is shown to be something totally innocent and everybody agrees on that. And you jump in to complain that people are bitching about the team?

I mean, it looks an awful lot to me like people are saying, "so... Geogeghan Hart. Is this something we should consider dubious?" and everybody else saying "to be honest, at the moment, not really".

There's plenty of occasions where your complaints about bias and myopic focus on Sky have some reasonable foundations. Here, they really don't.

 

[42x16ss]

Re:

Back to bitching it seems, again it looks like winning a race gets more attention than actually getting busted for EPO

Oh noes! Somebody noticed a tattoo!

Attack!

 

[rick james]

Re: Re:

Back to bitching it seems, again it looks like winning a race gets more attention than actually getting busted for EPO

So... somebody comments on Tao winning races, consensus view is that actually it seems like logical development for a guy who's shown his talent at a young age. Somebody posts a picture querying something in a picture that looks odd, this is shown to be something totally innocent and everybody agrees on that. And you jump in to complain that people are bitching about the team?

I mean, it looks an awful lot to me like people are saying, "so... Geogeghan Hart. Is this something we should consider dubious?" and everybody else saying "to be honest, at the moment, not really".

There's plenty of occasions where your complaints about bias and myopic focus on Sky have some reasonable foundations. Here, they really don't.

my gripe is this thread is busier with sky wining a race when infact if the clinic was a force for good the busier thread should be the Pantano EPO bust....but its not, its almost like people want to moan about the big bad Brits yet take their eye off the real ball...I mean we had people saying the feel sorry for Pantano...bonkers

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

Back to bitching it seems, again it looks like winning a race gets more attention than actually getting busted for EPO

So... somebody comments on Tao winning races, consensus view is that actually it seems like logical development for a guy who's shown his talent at a young age. Somebody posts a picture querying something in a picture that looks odd, this is shown to be something totally innocent and everybody agrees on that. And you jump in to complain that people are bitching about the team?

I mean, it looks an awful lot to me like people are saying, "so... Geogeghan Hart. Is this something we should consider dubious?" and everybody else saying "to be honest, at the moment, not really".

There's plenty of occasions where your complaints about bias and myopic focus on Sky have some reasonable foundations. Here, they really don't.

my gripe is this thread is busier with sky wining a race when infact if the clinic was a force for good the busier thread should be the Pantano EPO bust....but its not, its almost like people want to moan about the big bad Brits yet take their eye off the real ball...I mean we had people saying the feel sorry for Pantano...bonkers

There's nothing new in the Pantano case.

Since then Sky have won 3 of 5 stages and GC at a WT race

 

[therealthing]

Re: Re:

Back to bitching it seems, again it looks like winning a race gets more attention than actually getting busted for EPO

So... somebody comments on Tao winning races, consensus view is that actually it seems like logical development for a guy who's shown his talent at a young age. Somebody posts a picture querying something in a picture that looks odd, this is shown to be something totally innocent and everybody agrees on that. And you jump in to complain that people are bitching about the team?

I mean, it looks an awful lot to me like people are saying, "so... Geogeghan Hart. Is this something we should consider dubious?" and everybody else saying "to be honest, at the moment, not really".

There's plenty of occasions where your complaints about bias and myopic focus on Sky have some reasonable foundations. Here, they really don't.

my gripe is this thread is busier with sky wining a race when infact if the clinic was a force for good the busier thread should be the Pantano EPO bust....but its not, its almost like people want to moan about the big bad Brits yet take their eye off the real ball...I mean we had people saying the feel sorry for Pantano...bonkers

There's nothing new in the Pantano case.

Since then Sky have won 3 of 5 stages and GC at a WT race

Tour of the Alps is not a World Tour race. They had practically no competition apart from Nibali and Majka.

 

[70kmph]

Re: Sky

 

[Robert5091]

Re: Sky

https://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/48121132

Ineos will pull its backing if its new cycling team are caught cheating or doping, says owner Sir Jim Ratcliffe.

Team Sky formally became Team Ineos on Wednesday, having enjoyed unrivalled success with Sky's decade-long backing - winning eight Grand Tours.

But they have also faced several controversies and allegations of cheating.

"We did our due diligence. I have absolutely no interest in cheating or drugs," Ratcliffe told BBC Sport.

"The day that any of that enters our world we'll be exiting that world."

Doc Freeman just felt a whole lot worse.

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

Back to bitching it seems, again it looks like winning a race gets more attention than actually getting busted for EPO

So... somebody comments on Tao winning races, consensus view is that actually it seems like logical development for a guy who's shown his talent at a young age. Somebody posts a picture querying something in a picture that looks odd, this is shown to be something totally innocent and everybody agrees on that. And you jump in to complain that people are bitching about the team?

I mean, it looks an awful lot to me like people are saying, "so... Geogeghan Hart. Is this something we should consider dubious?" and everybody else saying "to be honest, at the moment, not really".

There's plenty of occasions where your complaints about bias and myopic focus on Sky have some reasonable foundations. Here, they really don't.

my gripe is this thread is busier with sky wining a race when infact if the clinic was a force for good the busier thread should be the Pantano EPO bust....but its not, its almost like people want to moan about the big bad Brits yet take their eye off the real ball...I mean we had people saying the feel sorry for Pantano...bonkers

There's nothing new in the Pantano case.

Since then Sky have won 3 of 5 stages and GC at a WT race

Tour of the Alps is not a World Tour race. They had practically no competition apart from Nibali and Majka.

With 1st and 2nd year pros, I will add.

 

[pastronef]

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With 1st and 2nd year pros, I will add.

with 2nd and 3rd year pros: Sivakov (2) and Tao (3)

 

[therealthing]

Interesting that he said if 'caught' doping...

So they can dope just fine as long as they aren't actually caught.

 

[macbindle]

No...he said he had no interest in cheating.

How could he know if they are doping other than if they are caught, given that he stated he had no interest in cheating?

The one thing the guy wont be is naive. He knows the history of Sky and cycling. He is in exactly the same position of any sponsor who doesn't want their brand tainted by scandal, and that is he can only stop doping by stopping the 'team' if the doping is caught.

 

[veganrob]

If he is not naive then he knows damn well that team is doping. Just don't caught. Is that what you are saying?

 

[TourOfSardinia]

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If he is not naive then he knows damn well that team is doping. Just don't [get] caught. Is that what you are saying?

That's basically Tinkov all over again - I can't find the Tinkov quote.... when he demanded results in any way but without getting caught.

 

[macbindle]

"What I am saying" is posted above. You can read it if you like.

He knows what you and I know, which, like it or not, is not that Sky are doping.

 

[rick james]

useless thread

 

[rick james]

Re: Re:

If he is not naive then he knows damn well that team is doping. Just don't [get] caught. Is that what you are saying?

That's basically Tinkov all over again - I can't find the Tinkov quote.... when he demanded results in any way but without getting caught.

isn't that every team?

 

[rick james]

ok tell me what this thread proves about doping?

you want to talk about fracking, take it to the correct thread

 

[macbindle]

ok tell me what this thread proves about doping?

Nothing.

But that isn't what is interesting about this thread. What is interesting is the fact that a wealthy UK man has taken on a team that have been mired in scandal for years and attached his company's name to it. Quite a risk given that Ineos are not widely known, but could become so for all the wrong reasons.

It is interesting to ponder what he is getting himself into...TUE abuse, jiffy bags, testosterone patches, notorious doping doctor, stolen laptops and zero record keeping, government committee hearings and General Medical Council investigations, evasion and blatant lies.

 

[Norks74]

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ok tell me what this thread proves about doping?

Nothing.

But that isn't what is interesting about this thread. What is interesting is the fact that a wealthy UK man has taken on a team that have been mired in scandal for years and attached his company's name to it. Quite a risk given that Ineos are not widely known, but could become so for all the wrong reasons.

It is interesting to ponder what he is getting himself into...TUE abuse, jiffy bags, testosterone patches, notorious doping doctor, stolen laptops and zero record keeping, government committee hearings and General Medical Council investigations, evasion and blatant lies.

Whilst I don't disagree generally with what you say macbindle....

INEOS is a privately owned UK multinational chemicals company headquartered in London, UK, and with registered offices in Lyndhurst, Hampshire, UK and London, United Kingdom. It is in the top two chemicals companies in the world as measured by sales revenue currently around $90 billion.

...I don't think any sort of scandal, doping or otherwise, that cycling may throw at INEOS, is going to make the slightest difference whatsoever to their business overall.

It is interesting though. Let's see if Jim stands by his words should push come to shove.

 

[F_Cance]

Right now there are some Moscon rumours around.

 

[Bolder]

^^No doubt. When a rider just kind of disappears without explanation.

He apparently will ride the ToC, although the CN article said only that he "is likely to..."

Ratcliffe is looking pretty shrewd to pick up the team, given that if Bernal goes to the TdF you could well see an Ineos podium. That's some serious media exposure.

 

[Simurgh]

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Right now there are some Moscon rumours around.

Heard about it too somewhere else on the web. Supposedly the rumours indicate a connection to an ongoing case/investigation. Hope it isn't true, this is the last thing cycling needs.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Re: Re:

Heard about it too somewhere else on the web. Supposedly the rumours indicate a connection to an ongoing case/investigation. Hope it isn't true, this is the last thing cycling needs.

just wandered into the clinic ?

 

[rick james]

If they rumours do come out to be true about Moscon I hope we have the usual suspects come and tell us it’s sad that he’s being caught after all that’s the response that EPO Pantano got, or is that only saved for non team Sky/Ineos riders

 

[Simurgh]

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Heard about it too somewhere else on the web. Supposedly the rumours indicate a connection to an ongoing case/investigation. Hope it isn't true, this is the last thing cycling needs.

just wandered into the clinic ?

:lol: but for real, I’d like to believe that it is a minority who dopes, even though the truth might be more grim than that. I just don’t want to endure another round of cycling bashing. While Moscon isn’t a household name like Froome or Contador, he is a bigger fish than Pantano.