Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[ferryman]

Oh yes. And a lot of logic. They're using the Ferrari template. Period.

Not all of them but the core group just like USPS.

But you know not all can look at that blood bag and just keep doing it.

Soon I will start the thread: Are Wiggins and Sky using Ferrari? - when I do. Wait to see the "sticks" come out of the woodwork and defend their position.

Nah, you are wrong Mr Hog. NO WAY are Sky using Ferrari. Things have moved on man, far more sophisticated. Or maybe not

 

[thehog]

Nah, you are wrong Mr Hog. NO WAY are Sky using Ferrari. Things have moved on man, far more sophisticated. Or maybe not

How much do you want me to say?

Wiggins and Ferrari are a couple.

 

[armchairclimber]

There's a shark being jumped, right there.

 

[neineinei]

It's most definitely not worth it. Rasch is going to sky because Hagen wants him there, no other reason. He's a pretty strong rouleur, good in wind and echelons, and he'll earn his wage riding at the front in flat races. It's not like he's suddenly going to podium in the vuelta.

According to this article at procycling.no De Jongh and Arvesen wanted him to Sky for the classics, Hagen didn't have much to do with it.

 

[The Hitch]

Any proof of that? They are up to something. I don't think there is any doubt. The team did tell sky that the majority of the tour top 10 were juicing, I guess they got told to join in.

Of course not. hog is most likely a sky fan who knows that when other sky fans come on here and see his poorly written barely thought out conspiracy theories, rather than the actual substance against sky which other posters provide, they will agree with wiggins that all those who accuse him are bone idle ****ers who wasted their lives, and never see the actual case against him.

 

[ferryman]

How much do you want me to say?

Wiggins and Ferrari are a couple.

To the first, spill all €you have got

To the second (you got any pictures Guv)

 

[Cycle Chic]

....they will agree with wiggins that all those who accuse him are bone idle ****ers who wasted their lives, and never see the actual case against him.

Just let me go get Tylers Book....ah yes...

Lance ...addressed his doubters from the podium. He'd said, "I fel sorry for you.I,m sorry you can't dream big and I,m sorry you don't believe in miracles."

Now why would Wiggins repeat what Lance said ?

 

[The Hitch]

David Millar commentating on bbc, showing once again, how right those idiots who spammed this thread with - brits would never dope because they would never be forgiven, were.

 

[airstream]

i tend to think that all (or at least all that were made to give comments regarding doping) successful gc riders conduct doping policy in a dirty cynical mendacious way with minimum of distinctions. but why so many people do like bashing exactly sky in this regard?

 

[Cycle Chic]

Pre Tour - Wiggins

http://www.cyclismas.com/2012/03/te...eme-measures-to-protect-wiggins-from-disease/

Team Sky engage in extreme measures to protect Wiggins from disease

Team Sky patron saint James Murdoch was flown into Paris from his holiday home in Bora Bora to reserve an entire chateau just outside of the start town of Onet-le-Chateau as a makeshift sanitorium. Murdoch and his medical team will only allow approved team members and staff entrance to the facility.

“The safety of Brad Wiggins is absolutely paramount. We have invested substantial finances into the success of this team and we can’t afford any scandals, nor any accidental incidents that may derail Brad’s chances at a Tour/Olympics double victory,” stated Murdoch

Well a chateau is better than a sneaky hotel room any day !

 

[the big ring]

http://www.cyclismas.com/2012/03/te...eme-measures-to-protect-wiggins-from-disease/

Team Sky engage in extreme measures to protect Wiggins from disease

Team Sky patron saint James Murdoch was flown into Paris from his holiday home in Bora Bora to reserve an entire chateau just outside of the start town of Onet-le-Chateau as a makeshift sanitorium. Murdoch and his medical team will only allow approved team members and staff entrance to the facility.

“The safety of Brad Wiggins is absolutely paramount. We have invested substantial finances into the success of this team and we can’t afford any scandals, nor any accidental incidents that may derail Brad’s chances at a Tour/Olympics double victory,” stated Murdoch

Well a chateau is better than a sneaky hotel room any day !

No emoticons on your post so not sure if you're serious, but cyclismas are parodying here. They are taking the urine, as it were, and not for drug testing.

 

[pelodee]

"Stopped dreaming about winning the Tour de France a long time ago, but I still dream about winning the World RR championship..."

"...In the dream, I'm always clear and racing towards the rainbow jersey and buzz coursing through my veins is unreal."

"...But I never make make it to the line. I always wake up. What does that say about my inner chimp? I'll have to ask Dr. Steve Peters."

"But first I'd like to ask him about Geert Leinders and Sean Yates and Lance Armstrong and all those fine principles Sky were founded on."

"...Unless of course Dave Brailsford would care to explain it. How's the investigation going Dave? Any chance we might have an answer soon?"
https://twitter.com/PaulKimmage
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And this may be OT but read his tweets about Matt Hampson too.

 

[doolols]

but why so many people do like bashing exactly sky in this regard?

I don't understand it. Is it because they're a Brit team? Is it because they've had some success?

I tire of the unattributed "I know Sky are doping, and that's a fact, and anyone who says otherwise is a ************" (my asterisks) type posts. There is circumstantial evidence, at best, for Sky doping. Leinders is not proof. Training camps in Tenerife is not proof. Team performance is not proof.

 

[The Hitch]

I don't understand it. Is it because they're a Brit team? Is it because they've had some success?

I tire of the unattributed "I know Sky are doping, and that's a fact, and anyone who says otherwise is a ************" (my asterisks) type posts. There is circumstantial evidence, at best, for Sky doping. Leinders is not proof. Training camps in Tenerife is not proof. Team performance is not proof.

Why is team performance not proof if Wiggins himself uses performance as proof of doping.

For example he said during the tour that anyone who pushes 500 watts on a climb must be doping. He said that anyone who wins time trials by 2 minutes is 5th place is doping - extremely comical that one considering what happened today.

"Stopped dreaming about winning the Tour de France a long time ago, but I still dream about winning the World RR championship..."

"...In the dream, I'm always clear and racing towards the rainbow jersey and buzz coursing through my veins is unreal."

"...But I never make make it to the line. I always wake up. What does that say about my inner chimp? I'll have to ask Dr. Steve Peters."

"But first I'd like to ask him about Geert Leinders and Sean Yates and Lance Armstrong and all those fine principles Sky were founded on."

"...Unless of course Dave Brailsford would care to explain it. How's the investigation going Dave? Any chance we might have an answer soon?"
https://twitter.com/PaulKimmage
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And this may be OT but read his tweets about Matt Hampson too.

Is that kimmage for real?

 

[Mellow Velo]

http://www.cyclismas.com/2012/03/te...eme-measures-to-protect-wiggins-from-disease/

Team Sky engage in extreme measures to protect Wiggins from disease

Team Sky patron saint James Murdoch was flown into Paris from his holiday home in Bora Bora to reserve an entire chateau just outside of the start town of Onet-le-Chateau as a makeshift sanitorium. Murdoch and his medical team will only allow approved team members and staff entrance to the facility.

“The safety of Brad Wiggins is absolutely paramount. We have invested substantial finances into the success of this team and we can’t afford any scandals, nor any accidental incidents that may derail Brad’s chances at a Tour/Olympics double victory,” stated Murdoch

Well a chateau is better than a sneaky hotel room any day !

No emoticons on your post so not sure if you're serious, but cyclismas are parodying here. They are taking the urine, as it were, and not for drug testing.

No emoticons, she's serious...............unfortunately.
Well, they do say hate is blind..........better than being plain stupid, I suppose.
How could you take this gem seriously?

When asked if fraternization with known disease vector Levi Leipheimer – who has contracted every virus known to mankind – was an issue, Brailsford seemed unconcerned, “Thankfully Levi’s too low in stature to even enter Brad’s rarified atmosphere."

 

[Benotti69]

<snip>


Is that kimmage for real?

It would appear to be Hitch. David Walsh told him he had a duty to tweet for all the people who donated to his fund

David Walsh ‏@DavidWalshST

Truly the last man out of the cave, @PaulKimmage has emerged into the light. #cleancycling

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage

@DavidWalshST a mentor and best friend since 1982 informs me I have a duty to those who have supported me to keep tweeting.

 

[Cycle Chic]

No emoticons, she's serious...............unfortunately.
Well, they do say hate is blind..........better than being plain stupid, I suppose.
How could you take this gem seriously?

Cyclismas | cycling satire and commentary




www.cyclismas.com/

Not stupid....unlike your mysogyny.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Cyclismas | cycling satire and commentary

www.cyclismas.com/

Not stupid....unlike your mysogyny.

Barn door now safely closed, I'm sure the horse will find it's way back home.

Pretty quick to cry foul for someone who's not opposed to putting the verbal boot into others.

However, card played and duly noted. I'll exit your stage.

 

[Franklin]

I don't understand it. Is it because they're a Brit team? Is it because they've had some success?

I tire of the unattributed "I know Sky are doping, and that's a fact, and anyone who says otherwise is a ************" (my asterisks) type posts. There is circumstantial evidence, at best, for Sky doping. Leinders is not proof. Training camps in Tenerife is not proof. Team performance is not proof.

And the fact that Sean is best buddies with Motoman is just another coincidence

How dare we be suspicious! How dare aks the obvious questions!

They deserved nothing but our full trust and believe! Wiggins did so much for us!

 

[maxmartin]

anyone surprised by this? What a joke!

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/brailsford-vague-on-leinders-investigation

 

[Hugh Januss]

Regarding the weight loss, here is what British cycling coach, Matt Parker had to say...


Now if you think there is no medical explanation for losing 7kg from a combination of upper body muscle mass + body fat over a 9 month period then you need to wake up and get a reality check. I've been working with world class lightweight rowers for several years and sometimes the men will lose up to 3kgs in one month leading into competition and not lose any power.

This has absolutely no bearing because lightweight crew is a one day event with weigh in the day before. My brother rowed Lightweights at Cornell and those guys would loose 5 lbs in the 3 days before weigh in and weigh the same as the week before on race day morning. You cannot do that to yourself at the start of a three week race and not suffer for it.

 

[the big ring]

I was just looking for Sky's anti-doping policy and stumbled across this: http://road.cc/content/news/31011-dave-brailsford-hints-team-sky-may-be-softening-anti-doping-stance

Possibly posted before, but I am paying attention to dates more these days, constructing the timeline of cause and effect.

Dave Brailsford hints that Team Sky may be softening anti-doping stance


Dave Brailsford, performance director of British Cycling insists that the nation’s cyclists will be in peak condition to challenge for medals come 2012, and has also revealed that Team Sky, where he is team principal, may relax its policy of not employing people associated with doping in the past.

"There's no place for drugs in the sport and we like to think that we're at the forefront of promoting clean cycling," insists Brailsford.

"That philosophy will always stay. If we thought it wasn't possible then I'd be out. However, when you're trying to lift performance, and you look at the staffing side, if you want experience of professional cycling you have to go back a long way to find people over 40 who haven't been tainted in some way.

“You have your anti-doping policy but you need to weigh it up. And, actually, if the need of the team in performance was such and there was an individual that was generally considered in the 'positive' group, to excuse the pun, then he couldn't be ruled out."

That interview is from February 2011.

2010 was mostly crap for them.

Look how well they've gone since they advertised they were "open for business".

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

I was just looking for Sky's anti-doping policy and stumbled across this: http://road.cc/content/news/31011-dave-brailsford-hints-team-sky-may-be-softening-anti-doping-stance

Possibly posted before, but I am paying attention to dates more these days, constructing the timeline of cause and effect.


That interview is from February 2011.

2010 was mostly crap for them.

Look how well they've gone since they advertised they were "open for business".

Ultimately Sky is a business - they needed results. They couldn't get away with being the Cofidis (plucky clean guys getting beaten by the dirty teams) - not with Sky and the full weight of British Cycling behind them. In 2010 their theme music might as well have been Yakkity Sax they were so inept.

Of course this assumes that everything they did on the track was clean and they only started to dope once they hit the rode and got slapped around by the dirty doped up greasy Euros.

Something someone might like to investigate is whether or not Brailsford hired people linked to doping pre-Sky. I know that UK rowing after 1989 made a quick trip to the GDR and came back with several coaches.

 

[Benotti69]

Ultimately Sky is a business - they needed results. They couldn't get away with being the Cofidis (plucky clean guys getting beaten by the dirty teams) - not with Sky and the full weight of British Cycling behind them. In 2010 their theme music might as well have been Yakkity Sax they were so inept.

Of course this assumes that everything they did on the track was clean and they only started to dope once they hit the rode and got slapped around by the dirty doped up greasy Euros.

Something someone might like to investigate is whether or not Brailsford hired people linked to doping pre-Sky. I know that UK rowing after 1989 made a quick trip to the GDR and came back with several coaches.

When i suggested some rowing medals this summer were possibly 'unbelievably' achieved i got lambasted. The Brits dont dope.

Sky have doped this year and most likely last year.

While we have not a positive yet, everything about them points to doping. Join the dots and the image is of blood doping.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

British track cycling seems to have had zero scrutiny. It would be interesting to look at who was hired and where from before and during the 'golden era'.