Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Gloin22]

Sky put together the GT team fro the TdF. They were imo PEDing. All the training on Tenerife together suggests it along with guys like Rogers riding better than he was when he was with T-Mobile and Porte having an outstanding year.

Cameras where with him all the time as they produced the series on Sky's Athlantic Channel and their way to TDF. It's all well documented...

 

[dolophonic]

I think people are mudslingers because their favorite italian, spanish or whatever have stopped winning. Now we see the best riders win unlike earlier. They simply can not grasp the fact thet they support dirtbage.

Do you actually watch cycling ?

 

[thehog]

Cameras where with him all the time as they produced the series on Sky's Athlantic Channel and their way to TDF. It's all well documented...

All the time?

 

[bianchigirl]

Obviously not

 

[Marco Pantani]

Cameras where with him all the time as they produced the series on Sky's Athlantic Channel and their way to TDF. It's all well documented...

What a joke...was it Murdochs cameras?

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I think people are mudslingers because their favorite italian, spanish or whatever have stopped winning. Now we see the best riders win unlike earlier. They simply can not grasp the fact thet they support dirtbage.

Ohhh this is sweet and insightful..... Northern european and the english speaker don't dope at all but see italian and spanish needs to dope because the economy is bad and the need to earn money is very important.

 

[thehog]

Ohhh this is sweet and insightful..... Northern european and the english speaker don't dope at all but see italian and spanish needs to dope because the economy is bad and the need to earn money is very important.

We're on the the doorstep of uncovering the biggest doping fraud in the history of the sport and the major players involved are American, Irish, Dutch and a Belgian.

But of course its just the Spanish and Italian who dope.

The Anglo's have a lot to answer for in this mess!

 

[Zam_Olyas]

We're on the the doorstep of uncovering the biggest doping fraud in the history of the sport and the major players involved are American, Irish, Dutch and a Belgian.

But of course its just the Spanish and Italian who dope.

The Anglo's have a lot to answer for in this mess!

Very true. I like velo1ticker though

 

[Benotti69]

Cameras where with him all the time as they produced the series on Sky's Athlantic Channel and their way to TDF. It's all well documented...

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, maybe in middle earth that is the truth

 

[FignonLeGrand]

So the most naturally gifted cyclists all happen to be Anglos. From countries with far less tradition and licences than others.

So all the Brits who havnt been caught doping are dopers but all the Spanish and Italians who have been caught doping are better and clean? Did you see the non doping Italian team at the worlds, see the quality there did you?

All the brits arnt better but they are there and havnt been caught. Where was bertie in July?

 

[Benotti69]

So all the Brits who havnt been caught doping are dopers but all the Spanish and Italians who have been caught doping are better and clean? Did you see the non doping Italian team at the worlds, see the quality there did you?

All the brits arnt better but they are there and havnt been caught. Where was bertie in July?

No the SkyBrits have UCI on the payroll, as witnessed by Mcquaid leeching on them all Olympics and TdF.

But how do the clean riders beat the doping riders?

Warm downs?

Damn if only Armstrong did warm downs he would've gotten away with it!

 

[ferryman]

No the SkyBrits have UCI on the payroll, as witnessed by Mcquaid leeching on them all Olympics and TdF.

But how do the clean riders beat the doping riders?

Warm downs?

Damn if only Armstrong did warm downs he would've gotten away with it!

C'mon man keep up. Marginal gains don't you know

And of course being naturally superior in body and mind to any other nation on the planet

 

[Velo1ticker]

Ohhh this is sweet and insightful..... Northern european and the english speaker don't dope at all but see italian and spanish needs to dope because the economy is bad and the need to earn money is very important.

Yes, when cheating becomes an industry it is no longer a question about induviduals and their morale. I am not saying that northern europeans don't dope. I do remember the finnish ski team which run an organised dope programme at least fram 1984 to 2001. However, this is how sothern europeans teams have operated for years, and you are cheering them on, and ****ing on those who are not proven to cheat. So many rider have been working for teams that we know have been cheating and you quitly accept that. Why does it become a problem when Sky hire a questionable tainer and it is OK when a southerne based team does the same?

With 600 pages of pure speculations I must ask if you are going for a new record? The result will be wrong when you have chosen to focus on someone who is clean rather than taking on proven dopers. Why does the Giro hand out a biggest dopers award (the Dopani prize)? When you see Ricco or other italians it must be cler to everyone that they do not possess the right training culture. For them it is "mandatory" to dope in order to get hired.

 

[hrotha]

The fundamental flaw in your argument is that you assume that, if we are questioning Sky, that must mean we're rooting for Mediterranean teams and riders. You don't even contemplate the possibility that we question all outrageous riders, teams and performances. The difference is those other folks a) aren't currently dominating the sport, b) don't make "being clean" a key selling point in their PR policy, and c) don't have legions of fans defending them, usually with absurd arguments.

 

[bobbins]

All the time?

Not a chance. The camera crews had a tight window to use and had to stick to that. Not all of the footage was from this year either.

Team Sky told BSkyB that Bradleys poor first tour with them was due to others doping. A company that doesn't see too much wrong with hacking peoples voicemails won't even think twice about charging its riders up.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Yes, when cheating becomes an industry it is no longer a question about induviduals and their morale. I am not saying that northern europeans don't dope. I do remember the finnish ski team which run an organised dope programme at least fram 1984 to 2001. However, this is how sothern europeans teams have operated for years, and you are cheering them on, and ****ing on those who are not proven to cheat. So many rider have been working for teams that we know have been cheating and you quitly accept that. Why does it become a problem when Sky hire a questionable tainer and it is OK when a southerne based team does the same?

With 600 pages of pure speculations I must ask if you are going for a new record? The result will be wrong when you have chosen to focus on someone who is clean rather than taking on proven dopers. Why does the Giro hand out a biggest dopers award (the Dopani prize)? When you see Ricco or other italians it must be cler to everyone that they do not possess the right training culture. For them it is "mandatory" to dope in order to get hired.

Hahahahaha you don't have a fcuking clue and i would reply but hrotha said it better than i would respond.

N.B.- If you have time you could look at other thread and find out who we question.

 

[ToreBear]

Yes, when cheating becomes an industry it is no longer a question about induviduals and their morale. I am not saying that northern europeans don't dope. I do remember the finnish ski team which run an organised dope programme at least fram 1984 to 2001. However, this is how sothern europeans teams have operated for years, and you are cheering them on, and ****ing on those who are not proven to cheat. So many rider have been working for teams that we know have been cheating and you quitly accept that. Why does it become a problem when Sky hire a questionable tainer and it is OK when a southerne based team does the same?

With 600 pages of pure speculations I must ask if you are going for a new record? The result will be wrong when you have chosen to focus on someone who is clean rather than taking on proven dopers. Why does the Giro hand out a biggest dopers award (the Dopani prize)? When you see Ricco or other italians it must be cler to everyone that they do not possess the right training culture. For them it is "mandatory" to dope in order to get hired.

I dont think people are ignoring other teams. It's just now that sky is the best team. Also they started in the sport with a goal of being really clean and transparent. Now people are feeling their transparency is lacking somewhat. And they hired a doctor with history in the sport contrary to their initial statements.That gets things going.

As for which countries are high risk and low risk. I would agree that some nationals are more likely to dope than others. Though I don't think you can say english speakers are cleaner. I'm more guarded in regards certain english speakers than other english speakers.

Also I'm more guarded against spanish riders than Italian riders.

As for Northern vs southern Europe. Which countries are included in each category? I view France as southern Europe. I don't view a french rider with the same suspicion as a Spanish or a US rider.

 

[neineinei]

Yes, when cheating becomes an industry it is no longer a question about induviduals and their morale. I am not saying that northern europeans don't dope. I do remember the finnish ski team which run an organised dope programme at least fram 1984 to 2001. However, this is how sothern europeans teams have operated for years, and you are cheering them on, and ****ing on those who are not proven to cheat. So many rider have been working for teams that we know have been cheating and you quitly accept that. Why does it become a problem when Sky hire a questionable tainer and it is OK when a southerne based team does the same?

With 600 pages of pure speculations I must ask if you are going for a new record? The result will be wrong when you have chosen to focus on someone who is clean rather than taking on proven dopers. Why does the Giro hand out a biggest dopers award (the Dopani prize)? When you see Ricco or other italians it must be cler to everyone that they do not possess the right training culture. For them it is "mandatory" to dope in order to get hired.

So at the time both the Italian and the Finnish cross country team was doping, but still the non doping Norwegians beat them most of the time. And the Norwegians won because of their great traditions, their ethics and superb ski preparation. Too bad for Wiggins you don't need ski wax in cycling, or he'd have won seven Tour de France by now.

 

[ToreBear]

So at the time both the Italian and the Finnish cross country team was doping, but still the non doping Norwegians beat them most of the time. And the Norwegians won because of their great traditions, their ethics and superb ski preparation. Too bad for Wiggins you don't need ski wax in cycling, or he'd have won seven Tour de France by now.

Most of the time? lol I think you need to do a little more research. More like some of the time.

Anyway, the clinic has it's own thread for that discussion.

 

[Velo1ticker]

So at the time both the Italian and the Finnish cross country team was doping, but still the non doping Norwegians beat them most of the time. And the Norwegians won because of their great traditions, their ethics and superb ski preparation. Too bad for Wiggins you don't need ski wax in cycling, or he'd have won seven Tour de France by now.

Norwegian skiiers won practically nothing in the 1980s. They perfected altitude training early 1990 and that brought then back on top. Who was the italians "trainer"? Italians have so many bikeriders so they must be good - how many skiiers do you find in Norway. You argument only work when you ****ing at others?

 

[thehog]

Its wonderful to see the same 1999 talking points making a coming back in 2012.

Euro's don't know how to train properly. Doping is a European problem. The French and Italians were laughing at some of our training concepts. In France and Italy you can dope then come back a hero etc etc etc.

Probably the funniest part of all this is its been eaten up raw by the the fans as 100% certifiably true!

Hard work indeed.

 

[Velo1ticker]

Do you actually watch cycling ?

Someone is hiring know dopers, and some even let them train with the team during the 2 year ban period. That is direct support to the dopers. You got to start cleaning up by removing known dopers and picking those not yet caught is wrog way to clean up.

Clean riders have only their own integrety, dopers have the money and the "glory" (Aldopo, Vino and Dopani are the heroes).

 

[Benotti69]

Someone is hiring know dopers, and some even let them train with the team during the 2 year ban period. That is direct support to the dopers. You got to start cleaning up by removing known dopers and picking those not yet caught is wrog way to clean up.

Clean riders have only their own integrety, dopers have the money and the "glory" (Aldopo, Vino and Dopani are the heroes).

What about direct support to ex dopers like Yates and making them DS of your team?

How about cleaning up by getting rid of doping doctors like Leinders?

Wiggins has a few bucks in the banks by now no doubt!

 

[thehog]

Not a chance. The camera crews had a tight window to use and had to stick to that. Not all of the footage was from this year either.

Team Sky told BSkyB that Bradleys poor first tour with them was due to others doping. A company that doesn't see too much wrong with hacking peoples voicemails won't even think twice about charging its riders up.

When Froome was told to hold back when he dropped Wiggins on the mountain stages it was if Murdoch himself was making the orders into the earpiece.

Made for television indeed.

 

[neineinei]

Norwegian skiiers won practically nothing in the 1980s. They perfected altitude training early 1990 and that brought then back on top. Who was the italians "trainer"? Italians have so many bikeriders so they must be good - how many skiiers do you find in Norway. You argument only work when you ****ing at others?

What makes the Norwegians not winning anything in the eighties different from the Italians not winning anything now? I guess in the eighties it was the Russians, the Swedes and the Finnish who was cheating. Maybe they are southern Europeans? Or maybe the Norwegians just didn't possess the right training culture in the eighties?