Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Libertine Seguros]

sky may be uk based but line up is very international

There is, however, a pretty glaring conflict of interests by having the same guys running Team Sky as are running British Cycling, hence the two get conflated often.

obvious fact many british athletes have been sanctioned............no team official / athlete has used being british as a defence against accusations

as to what brad wears at presentations.............who gives a **** it's what he wears on the bike that should concern us

Wiggins has, however, used the fact that the British press would destroy him as a reason why he can't ever possibly dope.

 

[blackcat]

There is, however, a pretty glaring conflict of interests by having the same guys running Team Sky as are running British Cycling, hence the two get conflated often.

Wiggins has, however, used the fact that the British press would destroy him as a reason why he can't ever possibly dope.

the fact that the national press WOULD NOT destroy him, like 2000 Armstrong, like Ian Thorpe 2006. The press will not take them down. Even with all the info on the cyclists and Fuentes, and Barca and Real Madrid and Nadal, is El Pais really ripping their athletes and taking them down? No.

Why? Because the athletes' fans are enablers. They are consumers of the media and the sport

 

[ebandit]

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quote from above

'Wiggins has, however, used the fact that the British press would destroy him as a reason why he can't ever possibly dope'

indeed they would...............there would be no hiding for brad

that just states the obvious brad dares not to dope................not saying
that british riders would never dope

 

[ebandit]

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the fact that the national press WOULD NOT destroy him, like 2000 Armstrong, like Ian Thorpe 2006. The press will not take them down. Even with all the info on the cyclists and Fuentes, and Barca and Real Madrid and Nadal, is El Pais really ripping their athletes and taking them down? No.

Why? Because the athletes' fans are enablers. They are consumers of the media and the sport

bs..........name one british athlete that when found to be doping was protected by the press

sky have not been found to be doping..............it's only been clinic
accusations

 

[hrotha]

bs..........name one british athlete that when found to be doping was protected by the press

sky have not been found to be doping..............it's only been clinic
accusations

None of the examples he listed had officially been found to be doping. There was smoke, and the complicit media never bothered looking for the fire.

 

[ebandit]

yee gods

None of the examples he listed had officially been found to be doping. There was smoke, and the complicit media never bothered looking for the fire.

yee gods! obvious bs............their not even british

 

[blackcat]

compare Sir Chris Hoy's skull, his head size, and his quads. Lots of exogenous hormones. The press will give their home athletes wide berth.

Christine Ohuruogu is the scapegoat for the equivalent of Armstrong.


so instead of nabbing Paula Radcliff, Cav, Hoy, or Wiggo, we'll nab Ohuruogu to demonstrate we are tuff on doperz

 

[Alphabet]

In the phot Brad looks cool, unlike Cadel who looks like a banker. (or Paul Robinson from Neighbours)

Great call on Evans looking like Paul

 

[Telmisartan new]

...no team official / athlete has used being british as a defence against accusations

as to what brad wears at presentations.............who gives a **** it's what he wears on the bike that should concern us

As my learned colleague Libertine Seguros accurately pointed out, Wiggins himself has used the "British" card.Then you have the 7000+ posts in this thread where "The British don't dope" line has been trotted out with a depressing regularity conveniently forgetting Simpson, Millar et al.If its the clinic myth you claim it is then why is it being propagated by the guy your poorly attempting to defend and his fans?

As for what Wiggins wears on the bike, that doesn't remotely concern me,i dont look at pro riders that way,what they're wearing on the bike is neither here nor there for me,its how they're riding the bike,looking at them for fashion tips i find a bit juvenile and immature but each to their own.

 

[ebandit]

and on..............and on

replies above just enforce the idea that british athletes don't dope

and that british cyclists just wheel it out as an excuse is nothing

more than a myth stated so many times in the clinic that members

think that it is true


from above............paula radcliffe is the british athlete that i believe in

least of all..............her times are 'not normal' stronger evidence than ever

seen with team sky

 

[Dear Wiggo]

replies above just enforce the idea that british athletes don't dope

and that british cyclists just wheel it out as an excuse is nothing

more than a myth stated so many times in the clinic that members

think that it is true

Some examples from this thread alone:

The difference is cultural. You only have to be linked with drugs in the UK and that's it. Dwain Chambers will never be accepted by the general sporting public, even Christine Ohorogou (who had a ban for whereabouts) has so much less support than an Olympic Champion in athletics would normally get. If Wiggins got caught, every report about him for the rest of his life from the British press would start with something that clarifies him as a former doper, whatever the story was about.

In Spain and plenty of other places, dopers are more or less always welcomed back by the public and are usually seen as victims of the system rather than the cheats that they actually are.

But you are tarring Wiggins with the same brush: exactly the sort of assumption I am criticising. It becomes a self-perpetuating delusion, you merely re-inforce your prejudice at every turn by the acts of others. Bradley Wiggins ISN'T Lance Armstrong. He career follows an entirely different trajectory and he has an entirely different cultural background. They are distinct people, separated not only nationality but by generation. To condemn Bradley for lance's actions is a crime in itself. 3 times gold medal winner, 7 times world Champion on the track. He came to the road late but applied that clear natural talent in the same way and has proved himself. Tearing that down through doping-by-assumption smacks of prejudice and an agenda based on motives I can guess at but won't voice.

REPEAT: Wiggins isn't Lance Armstrong. Sky aren't US Postal. The latter can **** off, I loathe them for what they have done to this sport. Don't continue that damage by attempting to destroy everything that comes after them.

If you do what hope is there for cycling.

 

[armchairclimber]

Wiggins will laugh last and longest.
Me too for that matter...

 

[sublimit]

compare Sir Chris Hoy's skull, his head size, and his quads. Lots of exogenous hormones. The press will give their home athletes wide berth.

Christine Ohuruogu is the scapegoat for the equivalent of Armstrong.


so instead of nabbing Paula Radcliff, Cav, Hoy, or Wiggo, we'll nab Ohuruogu to demonstrate we are tuff on doperz

I reckon Ohuruogu had it coming, she had a total lack of contrition for missing drug tests and blaming everybody but herself - so I have no symphathy for her.

Dave Millar is always referred to here as the "ex drugs cheat" etc etc. The Brit press never go easy on him at all.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Wiggins will laugh last and longest.
Me too for that matter...

Even if he is clean, I don't think Wiggins is laughing all that much. He admitted he didn't have a lot of fun at the Tour.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Dave Millar is always referred to here as the "ex drugs cheat" etc etc. The Brit press never go easy on him at all.

Didn't he get a job commentating?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Even if he is clean, I don't think Wiggins is laughing all that much. He admitted he didn't have a lot of fun at the Tour.

Good memory. Indeed, he didn't enjoy it at all.

 

[Chaddy]

Linford Christie played very little part in the Olympics, I know he coaches but he was never interviewed on the BBC, no newspaper column and played no part in the opening or closing ceremony.

 

[sublimit]

Didn't he get a job commentating?

Yeah a one off job because Boardman couldn't make it. The thing is with Millar he admitted cheating so despite having the 'ex drugs cheat' stuff thrust down his throat they gave him a chance to do commentary stuff if only on a one-off basis.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Yeah a one off job because Boardman couldn't make it. The thing is with Millar he admitted cheating so despite having the 'ex drugs cheat' stuff thrust down his throat they gave him a chance to do commentary stuff if only on a one-off basis.

He denied doping for years before they caught him with syringes and containers of doping material. He only confessed after being interrogated and in jail for 12 hours and finally being brought before a judge.

"Never go easy on him" is not "here mate, have a job".

At least not on the planet I live.

He also got to go to the Olympics as part of the team, and had glowing praise in the media from Cavendish.

Please show me even one instance where David "White knight" Millar ever has a hard time - in recent weeks he's had more opportunities for spruiking his and his sister's businesses and their alleged cleanliness than he's had hot breakfasts.

Just ONE instance where anyone said anything untoward about David Millar in the pommy press.

Just one.

 

[ebandit]

a gem from 'dear wiggo'

i quote 'Some examples from this thread alone'

exactly! it's just a clinic myth

but what?............. neither of those quotes back up the idea

we're clean.......we're british........british athletes don't dope

athletes of all nationalities dope................guilt has nothing to do

with country of birth

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Yeah a one off job because Boardman couldn't make it. The thing is with Millar he admitted cheating so despite having the 'ex drugs cheat' stuff thrust down his throat they gave him a chance to do commentary stuff if only on a one-off basis.

He tends to wear it as a badge of honour, it is 'EX' bit that is emphasized rather than the drug cheat part.

No one ever says 'Dave, how can we take you seriously, you lied as a doper, you fawned over Armstrong and you viciously attacked Landis when he blew the whistle, and now you are presenting yourself as the white knight to save cycling from itself?'

No one ever picks up on or gives Millar a hard time about the things he has said and done.

 

[armchairclimber]

Even if he is clean, I don't think Wiggins is laughing all that much. He admitted he didn't have a lot of fun at the Tour.

In my experience, racing is horrible. It's only afterwards that you can look back on it with any sense of joy.

 

[sublimit]

He denied doping for years before they caught him with syringes and containers of doping material. He only confessed after being interrogated and in jail for 12 hours and finally being brought before a judge.

"Never go easy on him" is not "here mate, have a job".

At least not on the planet I live.

He also got to go to the Olympics as part of the team, and had glowing praise in the media from Cavendish.

Please show me even one instance where David "White knight" Millar ever has a hard time - in recent weeks he's had more opportunities for spruiking his and his sister's businesses and their alleged cleanliness than he's had hot breakfasts.

Just ONE instance where anyone said anything untoward about David Millar in the pommy press.

Just one.

Cavendish is not the press you dummy. And no, no clues. I'm not here to provide a service for the likes of you.

Anyway this thread is about Sky.

 

[simo1733]

In the phot Brad looks cool, unlike Cadel who looks like a banker. (or Paul Robinson from Neighbours)

Where's the funeral cuddles?

 

[Nuash65]

Chris Sutton says re. the USADA report

"I just don't want to read it, full stop"

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sutton-on-skys-anti-doping-policy

(Unlike most here I'm pro Sky and not accusing him of anything but) I can't understand this response. Can anyone explain why he might feel like this. If there's a scandal in one's own profession I think most people would at least feel the need to be informed about it even if not interested. Much more so when it's causing a colleague to be fired.