Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[thehog]

is this supposed to be evidence of involvement with Ferrari?

One can draw their own conclusions.

It's an interesting statement to make considering it was the same statement that made him call people 'bone idle w******'.

Very odd.

 

[ebandit]

conclusion

One can draw their own conclusions.

It's an interesting statement to make considering it was the same statement that made him call people 'bone idle w******'.

Very odd.

hoggie.....i conclude that your bone idle making claims of a team

sky / ferrari connection without doing the spade work to come up with

any real evidence

hey! the only member agreeing..............is yourself in ego boosting replies

to yourself

 

[blackcat]

We're not saying Burrow was clean are we?

are we saying anyone is clean?

Jamie Burrow still has the record for Plateau de deilles in Ronde l'Izard

I have been speaking to Dave Brailsford* and told him he needs to get Burrow on the roster, the best UK climber since Millar and Froomie.

I think Burrow also beat Thor in the chrono during that tour. When Thor was reigning u23 world champ in the chrono.

*may, or may not, perhaps may not, may not be apocryphal.

 

[blackcat]

There is no contradiction. I cite JTL and Froome as examples precisely BECAUSE they aren't part of the academy at BC. Because that's what makes their transformations more suspicious. They are people who just happened to chance upon realising that they're actually massive talents, at the time that the BC program was reaping its rewards.

The BC guys who came from within BC have improved, because they've been developed and nurtured to do so. So I'm not calling those suspicious. It's the way that guys who have nothing to do with the careful nurturing arm of BC have suddenly leapt to the front of the list of priority projects for Sky (and by proxy BC because of the blurry distinction) with sudden and extreme improvements that has raised my interest with regards to the coincidence. It's like Froome suddenly went from a guy who was there because of his passport and to provide support for BC's projects they were developing, to suddenly vaulting ahead of all of them and taking the opportunities that those riders he had been domestiquing for had been groomed for.

From his results as a junior and espoir, Jamie Burrow was a greater talent than Chris Froome and Jonathan Tiernan-Locke... put together. He was the #1 ranked U23 in the world in 1999. He was arguably the best talent Britain had created since Robert Millar. But for the last six years he's been riding Gran Fondos, because he came about at the wrong time. And at the same time Chris Froome is showing us exactly what happens if Andy Schleck was able to time trial, given his super-peaking and hilarious reinvention. Chris Froome and Jonathan Tiernan-Locke have hit upon their purple patches of form at the right time. But when you throw in the incredible timing of the patches of bilharzia that arrange themselves around contract signings and Grand Tours, it seems like Chris Froome's rejuvenation has had a lot to do with convenient timing. I'm perhaps guilty of over-thinking this because of how suspicious I've found the timing of other things regarding Chris Froome and his miracle development... but I look at him standing on the podium of the Vuelta and the Tour and think... that should have been Burrow. He should've been that guy. He had the results as an espoir that we could point to and say "he always had the talent to make it as a GT contender". We wouldn't be trying to analyse whether winning the Anatomic Jock Race or being in the same break as Johan van Summeren in week 3 of the Tour meant a guy could win a GT.

Regards a guy like JTL... he has good reasons for his surprise late development, and I acknowledge those. But that he happened to have that major improvement when he did - when he could benefit the most from it because of Sky's standing in World Cycling (and hey, hilly Classics has been one area where they hadn't that strong a presence, with Gerrans leaving, though Urán is of course pretty useful in that regard) - is interesting. Possibly coincidental, but it's difficult to avoid being sucked into conspiracy theories with Sky because they seem to be very good at behaving in such a way as to inspire them. All I know is, if a guy like Remmert Wielinga or Kai Reus started wrecking the .1-ranked races next year, it would be a surprise. Both of those guys were supertalents, way above Tiernan-Locke pre-mono, and both have given up cycling and had a year or two of comeback. But it would still be extremely surprising to see them at that level next year, and it would mean that people would question them. With them there would be ample room for a conspiracy theory about convenient timing as well, of course - with the former Rabo team hunting for a sponsor and needing Dutch riders to be at the forefront of people's thinking.

Burrow beat the Pirate's record for Plateau de Beilles did he not Libertine Seguros?

 

[thehog]

are we saying anyone is clean?

Jamie Burrow still has the record for Plateau de deilles in Ronde l'Izard

I have been speaking to Dave Brailsford* and told him he needs to get Burrow on the roster, the best UK climber since Millar and Froomie.

I think Burrow also beat Thor in the chrono during that tour. When Thor was reigning u23 world champ in the chrono.

*may, or may not, perhaps may not, may not be apocryphal.

http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=8811&status=True&catname=Latest News

!!!!

Jamie Burrow was rated number one under-23 rider in the world, he turned pro for US Postal as a team mate of Lance Armstrong and despite some very promising rides in the pro ranks he never scaled the heights expected of him.

 

[blackcat]

is a much cooler cat than that Wigans N A' Ascott

Burrow 4 Team Captain at Sky

Is that Eliza Basso?

 

[thehog]

is a much cooler cat than that Wigans N A' Ascott

Burrow 4 Team Captain at Sky

Is that Eliza Basso?

He was too cool for BC so they got goofy Froome from Kenya and turned him into ET.


Power meter, look at power meter, power meter, look at power meter.

 

[Cycle Chic]

http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=8811&status=True&catname=Latest News

!!!!

Very similar but dont think so.

 

[will10]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-remotivated-to-train-by-crash-with-car

“It just goes to show that if I can do it anyone can do it with a bit of application and hard work. You don’t have to be Lance Armstrong, you don’t have to be this incredible machine of an athlete. Anyone can do it. Anyone in this set-up can no do it now. If I can do it, with where I came from, then anyone could do it."

For goodness sakes Brad...

 

[ferryman]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-remotivated-to-train-by-crash-with-car

“It just goes to show that if I can do it anyone can do it with a bit of application and hard work. You don’t have to be Lance Armstrong, you don’t have to be this incredible machine of an athlete. Anyone can do it. Anyone in this set-up can no do it now. If I can do it, with where I came from, then anyone could do it."

For goodness sakes Brad...

Aye, not best expressed there from Wiggins. Expecting some incoming on here after that

 

[Tom375]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-remotivated-to-train-by-crash-with-car

“It just goes to show that if I can do it anyone can do it with a bit of application and hard work. You don’t have to be Lance Armstrong, you don’t have to be this incredible machine of an athlete. Anyone can do it. Anyone in this set-up can no do it now. If I can do it, with where I came from, then anyone could do it."

For goodness sakes Brad...

Ahh poor fecker came from Kilburn (or Maida Vale depending on your take - please lets not revisit that one!)
I'm on my bike tomorrow what with where i come from I've got loads going for me - I'm 37, struggle to last an hour for 5-a side on Mondays, smoke too much, drink too much... but with a little more application I'll be on the tour 2015 mark my words.
And i don't want to see any nastiness in the clinic about it later (i.e. He just like came from nowhere man boo hoo!!) I'm warning you now I'll be on the tour in 2015 and I'm there to win it! - Application dudes application! Just off down off down the pub but from tomorrow application!

 

[thehog]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-remotivated-to-train-by-crash-with-car

“It just goes to show that if I can do it anyone can do it with a bit of application and hard work. You don’t have to be Lance Armstrong, you don’t have to be this incredible machine of an athlete. Anyone can do it. Anyone in this set-up can no do it now. If I can do it, with where I came from, then anyone could do it."


For goodness sakes Brad...

I think I need to spew....

Then I'm going to go do it just like Brad!

 

[coinneach]

Sounds like Wiggo got his mojo back....sky-haters beware!!!

 

[The Hitch]

Is that Eliza Bso?

Is that kid rock?

 

[thehog]

Sounds like Wiggo got his mojo back....sky-haters beware!!!

Lance must have phoned him and told him he'd find 10 people who'd say he took EPO.

 

[martinvickers]

I think I need to spew....

Then I'm going to go do it just like Brad!

Sometimes i wonder if he just LIKES winding people up - it's just about the stupiest thing he's ever said, and it's quite a list we're talking about!. not sure it really means anything, but by god, never let this man near PR!!

 

[Tom375]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-remotivated-to-train-by-crash-with-car

“It just goes to show that if I can do it anyone can do it with a bit of application and hard work. You don’t have to be Lance Armstrong, you don’t have to be this incredible machine of an athlete. Anyone can do it. Anyone in this set-up can no do it now. If I can do it, with where I came from, then anyone could do it."

For goodness sakes Brad...

Don't think this is going to do him any favours in popularity... unless your into the x-factor or something.
I'm not a Wigans hater but couldn't read past the first paragraph for wanting to spew. Maybe that's just me - I hate the BBC SPOTY it is one of the most cringeworthy shows of the year - I really feel embarresed if i have to watch even a few minutes of it..

 

[oldcrank]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-remotivated-to-train-by-crash-with-car

“It just goes to show that if I can do it anyone can do it with a bit of application and hard work. You don’t have to be Lance Armstrong, you don’t have to be this incredible machine of an athlete. Anyone can do it. Anyone in this set-up can no do it now. If I can do it, with where I came from, then anyone could do it."

For goodness sakes Brad...

Well said by BMW. He has proven "you don't have
to be a dope-taking machine, oiled by EPO" to win
cyclings biggest baubles. You're an inspiration to
us all Brad.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Heheheheh poor Chris Froome. It's like hinting that if Brad loses time at the Tour, anyone at Sky could take the leader role - not just Chris.

I sincerely hope he snaps should the need arise, and stomps it like he did at the Vuelta in 2011.

 

[ferryman]

Well said by BMW. He has proven "you don't have
to be a dope-taking machine, oiled by EPO" to win
cyclings biggest baubles. You're an inspiration to
us all Brad.

Not quite the fit you are trying to make it. He really is not that clever you know.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Well said by BMW. He has proven "you don't have
to be a dope-taking machine, oiled by EPO" to win
cyclings biggest baubles. You're an inspiration to
us all Brad.

He's actually calling Lance Armstrong an incredible athlete - ie paying Lance a compliment in the press.

 

[Parker]

I cherry-picked Burrow initially as part of my comparison of the luck of timing, to explain why I find it a little convenient that Britain has 'lucked into' a talent like Froome, when they've actually produced seemingly better talents in the past through that luck method, and they've wound up going nowhere. Froome, on the other hand, has just fortuitously found himself discovering that he has world-beating potential at the precise moment when he can get the big contract for it and the world-beating team behind him.

Once again you are treating sport as some sort of mathematicval absolute. Every rider is the same. Every race is the same. Any diversion from the model is suspicion.

Some juniors make it. Some don't. There's many things that dicatate that.

Burrow went to US Postal and his career stalled for whatever reason. Once his contract was up, had a team like Sky been there then maybe his career would have taken a different turn.

Similarly, had Sky never existed, would Froome have rotted at Barloworld or similar?

You often mention Cobo - the prime example of someone who acheived at one team and was terrible at another.

You're problem is that you have no feeling for sport - of any kind. You have no appreciation of the concepts of form and opportunity. You beleive that everyone is a robot and works as such. You are wrong - for all your hatred of Sky or HTC's scientific souless approach, you believe in it more than they ever did.

 

[thehog]

More DBaggery:

“I think it was the natural thing. Everyone thought I was on gear after that and I can’t blame people for that,” Wiggins told Cyclingnews from the Team Sky training camp earlier this week.

“I would have thought the same thing about someone who had come from absolutely out of nowhere from the gruppetto and finished fourth on the Tour and JV [ed. former team boss, Jonathan Vaughters at Garmin] just said to me, ‘we did it with Christian Vande Velde last year, what do you think?’ I said, ‘let’s do it.’”

“I think they should make these things public,” he said.

“The whole blood passport should be on [the] internet, every rider in the peloton. I don’t see why it shouldn’t be. It’s got to that stage now where if there’s nothing to hide why aren’t they up there? You can pull up in any walk of life, company accounts, people’s tax and that’s public knowledge, so I don’t see why the blood passport shouldn’t be public knowledge. It will silence people or challenge certain things but I don’t see what harm it would do. It would give you credibility in the public’s eyes … but I don’t think everyone would agree to it, maybe for moral reasons or people thinking that it might be an invasion of privacy.”

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

More DBaggery:

So what is wrong with that? Are you saying he has failed to put up his blood passport results while at Sky?

 

[Ferminal]

What's wrong with the Lance Armstrong mention?

It's more the "look what average me can achieve with hard work bla bla bla" like somehow everyone else is lazy and/or get owned by marginal gains. They are all amazing athletes, and you beat them, YOU are better.