Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[armchairclimber]

Its not weird. You are constantly claiming to have some 6th sense knowledge that wiggins did not dope. Even if everyone else on sky may have and lance won clean and the world is flat and whatever else, the one thing, you assure us, that you are certain of in this world is that wiggins did not dope, as if you were there with him to see it every hour of the tour.

But we don't but it.

I can't answer for the way you interpret my posts. Nowhere have I suggested that Lance won clean either.

My clarity regarding Wiggins has nothing to do with 6th sense, nor does it necessarily imply that I am an insider. If you care about the issue, which I doubt, you'll have to give the possibilities more consideration than you have so far.

You might be better waiting for him to be popped so that you can sneer at me with real conviction.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

I thought they took 5-6 riders for the TP, not just 4?

Steven Burke was the #2 IP man in Beijing. He was the 5th man in the TP squad.

I don't know what the limits were on track team numbers in 2008. They were certainly so tight in 2012 that the French registered Bourgain (Team Sprint and Kierin) in the road squad (he climbed off after the neutral zone!) and the Germans registered Forsterman (also a sprinter) as a mountain biker.

There may have been similarly tight limits in 2008. I recall talk that Cav was in the frame to be a sub in the TP squad if required. He was a low 4:20s IP man in those days, and would presumably be able to deal with the fast start required in a TP.

I think Hayles simply wasn't good enough to make the cut.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I think Hayles simply wasn't good enough to make the cut.

Hence the high Hct ;-)

 

[martinvickers]

Steven Burke was the #2 IP man in Beijing. He was the 5th man in the TP squad.

I don't know what the limits were on track team numbers in 2008. They were certainly so tight in 2012 that the French registered Bourgain (Team Sprint and Kierin) in the road squad (he climbed off after the neutral zone!) and the Germans registered Forsterman (also a sprinter) as a mountain biker.

There may have been similarly tight limits in 2008. I recall talk that Cav was in the frame to be a sub in the TP squad if required. He was a low 4:20s IP man in those days, and would presumably be able to deal with the fast start required in a TP.

I think Hayles simply wasn't good enough to make the cut.

Beijing qualification lists:

It was a relatively complicated system - GB were allowed a theoretical max of six 'endurance' riders, but could only declare 5 for the Team Pursuit - in addition, Wiggins as world champion had a 'non-transferable' place in the IP - i.e. he had to get one of the IP places. - since they clearly wanted to declare Wiggins for TP as well - in effect it meant they could have taken Hayles for IP only - but they only had one 'other' IP place come what may - so essentially Hayles had to be within the top 5 anyway.

As for Madison, GB was allowed a team of two, full stop - and it had no bearing on the broad 'endurance' squad. They and the points race places were, it seems, calculated entirely separately from pursuit.

In 2012, UCI/IOC added the extra foible of restricting overall squad size regardless of qualifiers (9 males, 7 females max per track squad). This meant that, in effect the 'big countries' - AUS, GB, Fra and GER in the sprints, had to take their individual riders from their team events - although usually they'd want to anyway. People selected in other cycling disciplines were also allowed to cross over, as it didn't add to numbers - as memory serves, Shanaze Reade from BMX may have been Man One back up for Jess Varnish in women's sprint.

It should be said at this point, that these are not problems that Irish track cycling tend to encounter, more's the pity.

 

[MatParker117]

Yeah Cav was a bit miffed from memory. And the stench followed him home, yuck.

I thought they took 5-6 riders for the TP, not just 4?

We only named four (Manning, Thomas, Clancy & Wiggins) and your taking the world champs to the olympics no matter what.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Hence the high Hct ;-)

I don't know. I'm not bothered. The key point though is that Hayles didn't go to the Olympics in 2008 because there were better riders available not because he fell out of favour with Brailsford over the Hct limit breach.

 

[martinvickers]

We only named four (Manning, Thomas, Clancy & Wiggins) and your taking the world champs to the olympics no matter what.

I'm pretty sure Tennant and Houvenghal were taken in the 2012 squad as well - the latter had a bit of a meltdown as memory serves over not getting a ride in the qualifers, and thus missing a medal

Ross Edgar and Becky James were on standby, but I'm not sure they were in the actual declared squads as such - Shanaze Reade was also available backup, as was, presumably, in extremis, wiggins himself

EDIT : sorry, realised I misread your post, I was talking about 2012.

Burke was named to the squad in 2008 - but he never rode, so got no medal for it - whereas the danes, aussies and NZL in 2,3 and 4 all 'rode' their #5 in the qualifier round, thus gaining medals for Christensen (DEN) and Gough (NZL)

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Burke was named to the squad in 2008 - but he never rode, so got no medal for it...

Crucially, this required Wiggo to ride 6 4k pursuits before taking on the Madison. If Burke had ridden the qualifying round then I'm sure GB would still have progressed and Wiggo would have been that bit fresher for the Madison.

Burke would have got his gold 4 years before he did, Cav might have got his gold, and if he had, then Wiggo would have had a full set of gold medals, thus scuppering Chris Hoy's knighthood. (It would have been hard to knight Hoy for three golds without doing the same to a 3-gold Wiggins, and there's no way Wiggo would have been knighted back then, as the nation had not yet got used to his "quirky" ways!)

 

[ebandit]

6th sense

Its not weird. You are constantly claiming to have some 6th sense knowledge that wiggins did not dope.

no need for 6th sense...........just read hear brad / team sky state that they

are clean / are following team no doping policy

that's why onus is on doubters to prove that they are lying

good luck to brad getting pi**ed...............who? has not been out of their

tree at 3am but at their workplace raring to go at 9am same day

 

[martinvickers]

Crucially, this required Wiggo to ride 6 4k pursuits before taking on the Madison. If Burke had ridden the qualifying round then I'm sure GB would still have progressed and Wiggo would have been that bit fresher for the Madison.

Burke would have got his gold 4 years before he did, Cav might have got his gold, and if he had, then Wiggo would have had a full set of gold medals, thus scuppering Chris Hoy's knighthood. (It would have been hard to knight Hoy for three golds without doing the same to a 3-gold Wiggins, and there's no way Wiggo would have been knighted back then, as the nation had not yet got used to his "quirky" ways!)

They took the same risk in 2012 with Trott - rode her into the ground, trusting she'd keep enough for the Omnium - Houvenaghal was incandescent - but I suspect that trott was holding that whole team together. If Trott's on the dope (and I don't think it's impossible!), they ought to sell it in jars, because she's a bloody beast.

Seems a pattern - BC/GB resists weakening the timed events for the sake of the more 'tactical' ones.

Now the interesting question from a GB perspective for 2016 is will Cav and Wiggins BOTH try ad get into Team pursuit - Wiggins for his 'Redgrave', Cav for his first gold? Both have all but said they'd like to do it -and if so, assuming Clancy sticks with Team Sprint (big if) who else drops out, Thomas?

 

[martinvickers]

Crucially, this required Wiggo to ride 6 4k pursuits before taking on the Madison. If Burke had ridden the qualifying round then I'm sure GB would still have progressed and Wiggo would have been that bit fresher for the Madison.

Burke would have got his gold 4 years before he did, Cav might have got his gold, and if he had, then Wiggo would have had a full set of gold medals, thus scuppering Chris Hoy's knighthood. (It would have been hard to knight Hoy for three golds without doing the same to a 3-gold Wiggins, and there's no way Wiggo would have been knighted back then, as the nation had not yet got used to his "quirky" ways!)

Big rumours are knighthoods for Wiggins, Brailsford and Ainslee, 'Dame' hood for Storey ( to match Dame TGT)

You just don't get that kind of recognition in Ireland, though I think if Katie taylor wasn't such a committed Christian, we'd probably crown her God!!

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Big rumours are knighthoods for Wiggins, Brailsford and Ainslee, 'Dame' hood for Storey ( to match Dame TGT)

Interesting re Ainslie as it was only a year ago that having (in his view) been cut up by a camera boat in a key race in the World Champs, he jumped out of his boat and swam over to the camera boat to "express his displeasure" with his fists. He was disqualified for this, but such rowdy behaviour seems to have been forgotten. Rightly so, as the GB national sailing team in previous centuries didn't rout various Johnny Foreigner armadas without showing a bit of fighting spirit!

 

[Casualfan]

Giro/Tour prep well on track.

Isn't this what every pap does? Take a million pictures of a celebrity, pick one shot out where they are in mid-blink, make it out as if they are wasted?

 

[sniper]

Giro/Tour prep well on track.

looks like that guy who won the toughest race of all races on bread and water.

 

[MatParker117]

They took the same risk in 2012 with Trott - rode her into the ground, trusting she'd keep enough for the Omnium - Houvenaghal was incandescent - but I suspect that trott was holding that whole team together. If Trott's on the dope (and I don't think it's impossible!), they ought to sell it in jars, because she's a bloody beast.

Seems a pattern - BC/GB resists weakening the timed events for the sake of the more 'tactical' ones.

Now the interesting question from a GB perspective for 2016 is will Cav and Wiggins BOTH try ad get into Team pursuit - Wiggins for his 'Redgrave', Cav for his first gold? Both have all but said they'd like to do it -and if so, assuming Clancy sticks with Team Sprint (big if) who else drops out, Thomas?

Thomas has left the track team so I imagine the Pursuit team for Rio will be:

Cav
Wiggins
Burke
Kennaugh

 

[thehog]

Wiggins has got an attack of the "Ullrich's". No way he's ready for next years Tour.

Froome v. Contador.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Wiggins has got an attack of the "Ullrich's". No way he's ready for next years Tour.

Froome v. Contador.

You stay classy

 

[martinvickers]

looks like that guy who won the toughest race of all races on bread and water.

Hey, they used to down the brandy DURING the race - you might think this is an improvement

 

[thehog]

You stay classy

Froome looks to be the more focused at this point. Long way to go but he's on game.

Wiggins will be knighted in the new year so that's another p1ss up to contend with.

Meanwhile in a village far far away; Contador trains.

 

[ebandit]

sporting

Froome looks to be the more focused at this point. Long way to go but he's on game.

Wiggins will be knighted in the new year so that's another p1ss up to contend with.

Meanwhile in a village far far away; Contador trains.

i too don't expect brad to not win a tour next year...........but what does it

have to do with the clinic thread...........but there again? what does

enjoying a drink..............or receiving a crappy knighthood

i remember? no pointers to sky doping

 

[JimmyFingers]

Froome looks to be the more focused at this point. Long way to go but he's on game.

Wiggins will be knighted in the new year so that's another p1ss up to contend with.

Meanwhile in a village far far away; Contador trains.

You may well be right, but lazily posting tabloid-fodder pictures of Bradley after winning SPOTY does nothing to actually prove that point and has absolutely zero relevance to the thread

 

[ebandit]

bandit

You may well be right, but lazily posting tabloid-fodder pictures of Bradley after winning SPOTY does nothing to actually prove that point and has absolutely zero relevance to the thread

the bandit said so 5 minutes ago.......Hoggie is Trolling the Thread....again

 

[thehog]

You may well be right, but lazily posting tabloid-fodder pictures of Bradley after winning SPOTY does nothing to actually prove that point and has absolutely zero relevance to the thread

I'm a big fan of hard work. I like it a lot.

I see Froome working hard in South Africa parasite free.

I see Wiggins stop/start approach detrimental for long term goals.

Contador has laser like focus. His Vuelta win was 6 months hard work.

It will be Contador v Froome next year.

Wiggins will be no where. I just hope Bradley doesn't resort to the type of assistance Ullrich did.

Should be a stellar 2013. Cycling fans will be the winner.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

I'm a big fan of hard work. I like it a lot.

I see Froome working hard in South Africa parasite free.

I see Wiggins stop/start approach detrimental for long term goals.

Contador has laser like focus. His Vuelta win was 6 months hard work.

It will be Contador v Froome next year.

Wiggins will be no where. I just hope Bradley doesn't resort to the type of assistance Ullrich did.

Should be a stellar 2013. Cycling fans will be the winner.

Wiggins does seem to lack focus but how do you know he didn't put an EPO in his drink on sunday? After all, there is no need to train if you have had an EPO. His behaviour could easily be a good cover for all his drug binging. Anyway, we shall see next summer. If he does well we know he is still doping, if he flops we know he has stopped. Either way it's proof he doped this year.

 

[thehog]

Wiggins does seem to lack focus but how do you know he didn't put an EPO in his drink on sunday? After all, there is no need to train if you have had an EPO. His behaviour could easily be a good cover for all his drug binging. Anyway, we shall see next summer. If he does well we know he is still doping, if he flops we know he has stopped. Either way it's proof he doped this year.

His prep reminds me of Lance 2005.

He was on the celebrity circuit all year with Sheryl, bombs at Paris Nice, then smashed the field at the Tour. Catching Ullrich on stage 1 screamed "doping"!

If Wiggo pulls the same stunt then you know there's a Doctor somewhere still in business.