Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Dear Wiggo, Paul Kimmage is just a bitter old sod who rode at a mediocre team called RMO, untalented and not a good journo.

 

[Parker]

All those "Sky are clean" fans banging on about PK not doing any investigative journalism.

...

Should thank their lucky stars he isn't.

Previously we were told PK was denied access as he is rough around the edges, which, whilst true, seems to have missed the, "No Michael Barry chats, No Palfreeman info" bits.

Thank your lucky stars PK isn't doing any investigations, lads, thank your lucky stars...

Ah, the great investigative journalist who can't even get Palfreeman's number off the internet:

Claremont Hospital, 0114 263 0330. Google. 30 seconds.

Maybe he likes asking the questions, but not getting the answers makes for a better story. Man changes jobs isn't much of a story after all.

 

[Froome19]

Dear Wiggo, Paul Kimmage is just a bitter old sod who rode at a mediocre team called RMO, untalented and not a good journo.

Wait..You are saying he is not the messiah?
There are sure going to be some posters here who are going to be upset to hear that.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Wait..You are saying he is not the messiah?
There are sure going to be some posters here who are going to be upset to hear that.

Sorry, I forgot to mention that doctors novel he wrote: Rough Ride.

My bad. I too am getting old it seems.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Ah, the great investigative journalist who can't even get Palfreeman's number off the internet:

Claremont Hospital, 0114 263 0330. Google. 30 seconds.

Maybe he likes asking the questions, but not getting the answers makes for a better story. Man changes jobs isn't much of a story after all.

lol. good post though

 

[Mellow Velo]

All those "Sky are clean" fans banging on about PK not doing any investigative journalism.

...

Should thank their lucky stars he isn't.

Previously we were told PK was denied access as he is rough around the edges, which, whilst true, seems to have missed the, "No Michael Barry chats, No Palfreeman info" bits.

Thank your lucky stars PK isn't doing any investigations, lads, thank your lucky stars...

They are certainly the juicy bits.
Question:
I can't remember, but did we here about these at the time, or just today?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

They are certainly the juicy bits.
Question:
I can't remember, but did we here about these at the time, or just today?

Palfreeman is a name I have never seen. And whilst I might forget your name if I meet you, I remember patterns well, and Palfreeman is a pattern that has not appeared on my radar. And I have done some research.

I don't remember the M Barry restriction being mention previously, either.

 

[Benotti69]

Wait..You are saying he is not the messiah?
There are sure going to be some posters here who are going to be upset to hear that.

Not as disappointed as though who find out Wiggins isn't cycling's second coming or maybe he is but not in the way they hoped.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Palfreeman is a name I have never seen. And whilst I might forget your name if I meet you, I remember patterns well, and Palfreeman is a pattern that has not appeared on my radar. And I have done some research.

I don't remember the M Barry restriction being mention previously, either.

Roger Palfreeman is indeed a pattern Dear Wiggo, can you read a little Dutch? If yes I will PM you.

If not:
http://www.podiumcafe.com/2010/8/18/1629198/team-on-the-run-the-inside-story

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Ah, the great investigative journalist who can't even get Palfreeman's number off the internet:

Claremont Hospital, 0114 263 0330. Google. 30 seconds.

Maybe he likes asking the questions, but not getting the answers makes for a better story. Man changes jobs isn't much of a story after all.

It seems Kimmage got his story about Palfreeman......

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage
July 3 2010: The journalist files a story about Barry, Palfreeman and Brailsford's surprise about-turn for the ST. It isn't published.


Man changes job is not much of a story, but when man changes job just 3 months in to new job (March 2010) and ends up being replaced by an experienced doping Doctor, then you do have a story.

 

[Benotti69]

lol. good post though

see above post.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

see above post.

Again: Paul Kimmage is just a bitter old sod who rode at a mediocre team called RMO, untalented and not a good journo who wrote a doctors novel called rough ride.

The SKY are falling down.

 

[xcleigh]

It seems Kimmage got his story about Palfreeman......

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage
July 3 2010: The journalist files a story about Barry, Palfreeman and Brailsford's surprise about-turn for the ST. It isn't published.


Man changes job is not much of a story, but when man changes job just 3 months in to new job (March 2010) and ends up being replaced by an experienced doping Doctor, then you do have a story.

A story I would have thought someone would have been interested in publishing if PK had info available. Would there have been a restriction on PK offering such a story to another publication at the time? Would there have been restrictions on him as an employee of the Times perhaps? I would have thought there would have been a way to get something out there at the time regarding any dodgy goings on at Sky/BC but I'm no an expert on this type of thing. Would love to know what he found out, if anything.

 

[Parker]

It seems Kimmage got his story about Palfreeman......

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage
July 3 2010: The journalist files a story about Barry, Palfreeman and Brailsford's surprise about-turn for the ST. It isn't published.


Man changes job is not much of a story, but when man changes job just 3 months in to new job (March 2010) and ends up being replaced by an experienced doping Doctor, then you do have a story.

The problem is he never actually had that job in the first place. He was the BC doctor, not Sky's. Palfreeman was just a consultant who looked at the blood profiles of prospective riders (he also works for UKAD). He was also hired to set up an internal testing programme, but they were told that his plan would be ridiculously expensive to implement and that they would be better off submitting to extra testing in conjuction with UCI & WADA - which they did.
So he wasn't needed any more and once the track season ended he left BC to take up a consultancy role at a private hospital.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

The problem is he never actually had that job in the first place. He was the BC doctor, not Sky's. Palfreeman was just a consultant who looked at the blood profiles of prospective riders (he also works for UKAD). He was also hired to set up an internal testing programme, but they were told that his plan would be ridiculously expensive to implement and that they would be better off submitting to extra testing in conjuction with UCI & WADA - which they did.
So he wasn't needed any more and once the track season ended he left BC to take up a consultancy role at a private hospital.

Am, I think you will find Sky did want a Doctor.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Palfreeman is a name I have never seen. And whilst I might forget your name if I meet you, I remember patterns well, and Palfreeman is a pattern that has not appeared on my radar. And I have done some research.

I don't remember the M Barry restriction being mention previously, either.

Thanks for the reply. No, I didn't think I heard any of it before.

Roger Palfreeman is indeed a pattern Dear Wiggo, can you read a little Dutch? If yes I will PM you.

If not:
http://www.podiumcafe.com/2010/8/18/1629198/team-on-the-run-the-inside-story

So, either way you cut it, the pattern is that Sky doesn't check on their doctors, before they employ them.

 

[Parker]

Am, I think you will find Sky did want a Doctor.

Of course. They hired Richard Freeman to start with. Then Alan Farrell fairly soon after. Others short term when needed. I don't think Palfreeman ever went to a race - and certainly had no intention of doing so long term.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Of course. They hired Richard Freeman to start with. Then Alan Farrell fairly soon after. Others short term when needed. I don't think Palfreeman ever went to a race - and certainly had no intention of doing so long term.

Farrell did not join until 2012, after Leinders.
Also, Palfreeman went on to become team Doc at Rapha Condor in late 2010.

 

[Parker]

Farrell did not join until 2012, after Leinders.
Also, Palfreeman went on to become team Doc at Rapha Condor in late 2010.

Yes, they're one of his clients through Claremont. Not a great deal of overseas work with RC. A lot less time consuming.

(Farrell was full time from 2012 - their first full time doctor. I think he'd done some part-time work for them before that).

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

So, either way you cut it, the pattern is that Sky doesn't check on their doctors, before they employ them.

You really that naive? Even Doc Maserati knows. No pun intended of course, to the both that is.

Palfreeman is a known anti - doping doc, why was he put aside? Try to answer that and let the grey mass work, then please come back with a response worthy of the subject.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Yes, they're one of his clients through Claremont. Not a great deal of overseas work with RC. A lot less time consuming.

(Farrell was full time from 2012 - their first full time doctor. I think he'd done some part-time work for them before that).

See, you said Palfreeman was "not needed anymore" - yet Sky did need Docs and were happy to get Part Time Docs.

 

[Parker]

See, you said Palfreeman was "not needed anymore" - yet Sky did need Docs and were happy to get Part Time Docs.

Yes. He was there to implement anti doping protocols. When that got abandoned, he wasn't needed. That was all his job was. He was never a Sky doctor. He wasn't going to follow the team around Europe because he had no intention of doing that. You can't force a doctor who doesn't want to do that to do it.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Yes. He was there to implement anti doping protocols. When that got abandoned, he wasn't needed. That was all his job was. He was never a Sky doctor. He wasn't going to follow the team around Europe because he had no intention of doing that. You can't force a doctor who doesn't want to do that to do it.

Palfreeman was doing more than anti-doping protocols - from an early 2010 article:

Brailsford explained: "Whether Brad and Mark ride for Garmin, Columbia or Sky, whoever, British Cycling provides services to Lottery-funded riders, so Mark can get his coaching off Rod for nothing, he can visit the doc [Dr Roger Palfreeman, BC's doctor]. Brad [when he was at Garmin] can get his nutritional advice from Nige [Mitchell].

"But if you're a French guy, riding for Sky, and you get some time in the lab, or you speak to Nigel for nutritional advice, or you use one of the services or facilities here that is owned by British Cycling, there is a mechanism set up in the service level agreement that means Team Sky will pay for it.

"Not a penny of Lottery money will be spent on anything other than British riders.

"There's three categories - British riders who are Lottery-funded, British riders who are not Lottery-funded, and foreign guys. It's clear-cut. Say Boasson Hagen comes here, has some tests, sees Dr Rog, Team Sky pays BC for that. It's different depending on who or what we're talking about but it's all accounted for. Dr Rog, for example, will charge his time back to Team Sky, whereas Nige is now employed 50 per cent by Team Sky and 50 per cent by British Cycling, so his time and responsibilities will be clearly split. That's why there are two people from British Cycling, Ian and Brian, on the board [of TRL] to prevent any conflicts of interest."

 

[Parker]

Palfreeman was doing more than anti-doping protocols - from an early 2010 article:

Not for Sky he wasn't.

He was British Cycling's doctor for many years. As you see from you're quoted bit, if someone at Sky sees 'Dr. Rog' then he charges Sky (or whichever team). He wouldn't do that if he was Sky's doctor. So it appears the job he was meant to have for three months he never actually had - which was my original point.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Not for Sky he wasn't.

He was British Cycling's doctor for many years. As you see from you're quoted bit, if someone at Sky sees 'Dr. Rog' then he charges Sky (or whichever team). He wouldn't do that if he was Sky's doctor. So it appears the job he was meant to have for three months he never actually had - which was my original point.

Spin, spin, spin. So. Endulge us, why was he on the SKY internet page as a staff member?

Bet Geert was better on saddlesores hey?