Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Fergoose]

“"I was surprised how Sky fell apart on the last climb yesterday” - Cadel Evans commenting on Stage 8.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/evanss-tour-defence-suffers-first-setback

Anyone prepared to take his word for it?
It would appear to weaken allegations against Rogers, Porte & EBH surely?

 

[Maxiton]

Really? I'm going to have to look up that GB track team thing. I guess that would make sense, yes. Thanks for alerting me!

Yeah, apparently they've been at this heavy doping thing for a long time. Probably gotten a great deal more sophisticated recently, though.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Yeah, apparently they've been at this heavy doping thing for a long time.

Be interested in any articles, proof, etc.. that point to this. I follow track cycling quite a bit so that would make an interesting read.

 

[argyllflyer]

Again another insult from someone who knows nothing. Was Hayles' HCT level not investigated and the reason for the high level made public?

Untangle your knickers pal. I was making no reference whatsoever to Hayles' association with any previous irregularities. My *ONLY* point was that he will likely know what the training regimes are at Sky because of his work relationship with CAV.

Apology awaits.

 

[badboygolf16v]

You've never ridden a bike in your life have you.

Shut it Hawking, you've never been anywhere near a black hole.

 

[Falken]

“"I was surprised how Sky fell apart on the last climb yesterday” - Cadel Evans commenting on Stage 8.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/evanss-tour-defence-suffers-first-setback

Anyone prepared to take his word for it?
It would appear to weaken allegations against Rogers, Porte & EBH surely?

Didn't know there was an allegation against EBH? On what grounds? Being a Sky rider?

The only one I can see really standing out is Froome, other than him what we see isn't that extraordinary imo.

 

[Fergoose]

Didn't know there was an allegation against EBH? On what grounds? Being a Sky rider?

We are in a thread where some enlightened readers are insisting there is a team wide doping programme at Sky reminiscent of USPostal, nes pas?

 

[Mr Pumpy]

I was an elite without contract rider in NL / BE for several years.

Rode plenty of TT's. Even checked out the course a few times too.

You?

Of course you were mate.

You can be anything you want on the Internet.

 

[hrotha]

We are in a thread where some enlightened readers are insisting there is a team wide doping programme at Sky reminiscent of USPostal, nes pas?

For the nth time, not everyone at US Postal was in the program.

 

[Mr Pumpy]

Me, I only ride with my friends on an MTB like once or twice a week. I bet some people here have never touched a bike.

And yet, I feel we're all more qualified than Mr Pumpy to discuss this.

The only thing you are qualified in is gossip.

 

[gingerwallaceafro]

Didn't know there was an allegation against EBH? On what grounds? Being a Sky rider?

The only one I can see really standing out is Froome, other than him what we see isn't that extraordinary imo.

I agree with this, I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt for now though.

 

[Falken]

For the nth time, not everyone at US Postal was in the program.

Evans comment :"I was surprised how Sky fell apart on the last climb yesterday” reminds me how US Postal used to fell apart on the first real mountain stage in TdF... Porte and Rogers hardly did any work up front for Sky (EBH and Knees did that) and still they couldn't follow on the last climb. And yesterday we saw Rogers riding a so-so ITT. So who are the sky riders on the programme exactly?

 

[Runitout]

If I was Wiggins I would react in the same way. When you work so hard to achieve something and you get stupid ignorant journalists desparate to muck rake and find a story that does not exist then you would respond in the same way. Wiggins is clean . Sky is clean. Wiggins is honorable. Sky is honorable. But you cannot say that about beer swilling, whisky drinking and probably cocaine taking journalists. How dare they question Sky in this way? Do they think they are God or something?

The only way you can possibly know that Wiggins is clean, is 1) if you are Wiggins; or 2) if you have been stalking him.

Which is it?

Wiggins might be a great bloke. He might be your best mate. He might work harder than the rest, be more talented, etc etc. Even so, he might still dope. And yet you would have no idea. Good people lie too.

You ask, 'how dare they?' Are you serious? Journalists' job is to expose the truth in the public interest- to speak truth to power. My concern with journalists is that they have not done nearly enough to question Wiggins on his various volte-faces and newfound defensive rhetoric regarding doping issues, his 2009 blood values, his resiling from his promises to publish his further tests, the identity and history of his sporting doctor, and the history and performance of his teammates.

I hope Wiggins is clean, but unless someone asks those questions, and he answers them, I will have my doubts. If you think that is somehow 'offensive', then you know nothing about cycling.

 

[taiwan]

Now that is hilarious. You, and others are yapping away with serious, libellous, accusations without any credible evidence and here you are trying to tell me what I can and cannot say.

Comedy gold.

Just pointing out that you can't simoultaneously say "they aren't" or "noone knows" and "everyone is". You should move to "everyone is" if they get popped.

 

[zapata]

You've never ridden a bike in your life have you.

could you please stop using that stupid line? It's old, usually wrong, and also pointless.

 

[badboygolf16v]

Now that is hilarious. You, and others are yapping away with serious, libellous, accusations without any credible evidence and here you are trying to tell me what I can and cannot say.

The majority of people on this forum are expressing their concerns and suspicions and are asking for considered responses from Wiggins and Sky.

What's libelous about that?

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

The majority of people on this forum are expressing their concerns and suspicions and are asking for considered responses from Wiggins and Sky.

What's libelous about that?

Well Brailsford has invited you all to Manchester at the end of the season to ask any questions you wish regarding Sky. I am sure many of you will take up his invitation.

 

[the asian]

Floyd was never Amish from what I understand. You might want to check that at the door.
Wiggins just wants this more than the rest of the general classification cyclist and has been focused training just for this tour.

Just like Lance.

 

[AcademyCC]

Re Wiggins now infamous response to the doping accusations. What reply would people have been happy with? Could he have said anything to placate people's doubts?

 

[Benotti69]

Re Wiggins now infamous response to the doping accusations. What reply would people have been happy with? Could he have said anything to placate people's doubts?

He could've addressed those accusations. Sky could've responded by posting all the details they gave ASO about their training online for fans to see.

Nah, easier to insult them. Real intelligent.

 

[Mr Pumpy]

The majority of people on this forum are expressing their concerns and suspicions and are asking for considered responses from Wiggins and Sky.

What's libelous about that?

You must be reading a different thread. There are plenty of people making wild accusations, not just raising an eyebrow.

But explain to me why you think Wiggins should respond to anonymous Internet forum gossip? Why should he? If it was comments from other riders or acknowledged doping experts it would be another matter.

Besides he has given his response, and even if it was a little crude, it was all that it merited.

 

[Fergoose]

For the nth time, not everyone at US Postal was in the program.

Don't direct that at me. Direct that at the folk who were casting doubts on the performances of Rogers & Porte (and the entire Sky team) after Stage 7 stating they must be doping and that their performance was reminiscent of USPostal. They weren't taking my word for it that Sky underperformed on Stage 8, but perhaps they'll take Cadel's?

Or are these people retracting their position and stating it is now only Froome & Wiggins?

This thread is big on predictions. I predict none of the people on this thread who attempted to use Stage 7 as evidence of a US Postal style doping programme at Sky encompassing Rogers & Porte will have the guts to hold their hands up and say “actually, Stage 8 wasn’t consistent with my assessment of Team Sky. Let’s review it after the next couple of mountain stages.” I predict we will continue to not hear a peep out of them on the matter.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Don't direct that at me. Direct that at the folk who were casting doubts on the performances of Rogers & Porte (and the entire Sky team) after Stage 7 stating they must be doping and that their performance was reminiscent of USPostal. They weren't taking my word for it that Sky underperformed on Stage 8, but perhaps they'll take Cadel's?

Or are these people retracting their position and stating it is now only Froome & Wiggins?

This thread is big on predictions. I predict none of the people on this thread who attempted to use Stage 7 as evidence of a US Postal style doping programme at Sky encompassing Rogers & Porte will have the guts to hold their hands up and say “actually, Stage 8 wasn’t consistent with my assessment of Team Sky. Let’s review it after the next couple of mountain stages.” I predict we will continue to not hear a peep out of them on the matter.

You don't suspect Rogers

 

[the asian]

So let me get this right....

Consensus of all the yapping little poodles on this forum is that the Sky team are doping, and this is obvious because Wiggins is in yellow. It must be doping because the eight time Olympic and Worlds Gold medallist, Wiggins, has 'come from nowhere'

It is even more obvious because on one very shallow climb Sky held off all but a few people. The fact that the two major contenders for the race, Contador and Schleck, aren't present is irrelevant.

Nor is the fact that if Sky are doping, then it is almost certain that most of the other major players are too, in exactly the same way that all of the victims of US Postals cheating (those blown away on the climbs) were themselves dopers. Yeah, nobody could keep up with Postal, not even the...err....other dopers.

You guys are so facile it isn't true. You are also very glibly discounting one huge possibility, and that is that Wiggins isn't doping. In which case what Wiggins said about you, for it is you he is talking about,, is true, and you are exactly what he says you are.

So winning Eight Olympic & World Gold medalists on the TRACK can translate in to beibg an Elite climber & a top notch GC rider. And winning Eight Gold medals on the track means that you automatically are a really great road cyclist.
So the Ausies Jack Bobridge, Michael Hepburn, Rohan Dennis, Luke Durbridge and the Kiwi Jesse Sergent will dominate road cycling and win multiple grand tours once they turn their focus fully on to the road in the future.

Sir Chris Broadman must have been a undedicated rider who didn't train hard. If he had trained the same way Bradley Wiggins is training now, the Brits would have had their first tour winner some 15-20 years ago.

 

[Benotti69]

Besides he has given his response, and even if it was a little crude, it was all that it merited.

That you are here means he is also talking about you