Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Don Quixote]

Brailsford knows the score. He was there when Millar was arrested by the Gendarmes. Brailsford spent a long time being interviewed by the Gendarmes. He has been long enough around cycling to know more than enough about the doping. He is being disingenous about all this.

I'm inclined to agree.

 

[ToreBear]

Richie Port signed:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/porte-looking-forward-to-2013-at-team-sky

And it contains a nice quote wich I'm sure will interest our dear Wiggo:

"People were questioning Bradley's form the whole year but at the end of the day Sky has a pretty good sports science background and we were all sure of where we were. Personally I wasn't in peak form, my best form was probably in February but we went to the Tour with a clear plan and executed it like clockwork."

 

[cineteq]

The real Froome showed up today @ Chrono des Nations, 7 min. back to Martin's best time. Yes, I know he was on vacation...

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Richie Port signed:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/porte-looking-forward-to-2013-at-team-sky

And it contains a nice quote wich I'm sure will interest our dear Wiggo:

Nah this is the bit that that got me:

But I don't know how I can be more transparent.

Power files and blood values, 2010-2012.

Go.

 

[Telmisartan new]

When someone lies to you so many times you then become completely indifferent to what they have to say,there's an automatic assumption they are lying again,its understandable but on this occasion (this is the 3rd/4th time i have said this in recent days),Brailsford is not at it,everyone has to look carefully at what is happening here,there WILL be a purge and it'll happen soon.I dont blame people for thinking its another transparent PR exercise taking us long suffering fans for mugs but not this time,Sky have made a decision to feed the hungry wolves lest Wiggins himself gets anymore attention,losing Rogers/Yates wont hurt Sky and DB knows this.If this doesnt happen,DB/Sky's reputation will be in tatters and they'll be wide open for future scandals which could finish the team.He may be alot of things Mr Brailsford but stupid isn't one of them.

 

[ToreBear]

Nah this is the bit that that got me:


Power files and blood values, 2010-2012.

Go.

That would be interesting!

 

[maltiv]

Richie Port signed:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/porte-looking-forward-to-2013-at-team-sky

And it contains a nice quote wich I'm sure will interest our dear Wiggo:

If they really were on the sauce then you'd expect him to be stronger in TDF than in February, no? Peaking becomes so much easier with doping, so to screw that up would be weird.

But yea, I heard Porte was going like a motorbike in their january training camp. Apparantly he and Nordhaug were far, far ahead of everyone else in the hills. Meanwhile Froome had more than enough keeping up with the likes of Jeremy Hunt

 

[Ferminal]

He wanted to win something for himself, so peaked the only time he had that opportunity. His season did start a week into January. Hardly a standalone peak though, was good P-N, Romandie, Dauphine, Tour. May have been a little below Malhao, but not much. Long season was probably hurting him by July though (and getting ugly into the Vuelta and Worlds).

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Signing the pledge is the new signing an 'anti-doping' expert to monitor your team.

 

[orbeas]

Team Sky

More importantly, a top5 in the Giro on the cards.

(Until the final two stages).



Has to be Sutton or Yates? And yeh, lol @ Armstrong talking points.

Sutton for sure - common knowledge in the UK in the 80's about him doping -3 differant sources according to the Mail on Sunday..

 

[ToreBear]

If they really were on the sauce then you'd expect him to be stronger in TDF than in February, no? Peaking becomes so much easier with doping, so to screw that up would be weird.

But yea, I heard Porte was going like a motorbike in their january training camp. Apparantly he and Nordhaug were far, far ahead of everyone else in the hills. Meanwhile Froome had more than enough keeping up with the likes of Jeremy Hunt

Froomes girlfriend probably replaced his epo vials with valium.

 

[bobbins]

Sutton for sure - common knowledge in the UK in the 80's about him doping -3 differant sources according to the Mail on Sunday..

Any specifics?

Lots of chatter but nothing specific as far as I can tell

 

[zalacain]

Porte and Froome were very poor in the Chrono today. Looks as if the valium has been used again.

 

[Don Quixote]

He may be alot of things Mr Brailsford but stupid isn't one of them.

I've been thinking about this, and I'm not so sure any more.

He adopts a strict zero-tolerance policy to much fanfare.

He either then seccumbs to rider wishes, or through his own volition employs staff that to his likely knowledge don't meet that policy criteria.

This is stupidity.

He then sits back when questions are raised post USADA, and does nothing besides affirming the original policy, inviting media hostile to News Corp to start sniffing and making his staff and riders uncomfortable.

Appalling man-management - did he not expect this to happen?

Maybe his 'suspect employee' has got the lawyers in.

Only thing I can think of.

 

[orbeas]

sky

Any specifics?

Lots of chatter but nothing specific as far as I can tell

Originally Posted by Darryl Webster
PMSL.... I suppose it,l go somat like this :

Brailford " Shane , did you ever dope?".... Shane.. " No boss"

Brailford " You never put a needle in ya bum at a criterium in 88 and passed the needle to another rider who then used it to? "

Shane " No Boss"



Brailord " And you never used your then managers urine in a drinks can to pour into the sample jar in a big race in Ireland? "... Shane.. " No Boss"

Brailford. " Thanks Shane..knew I could depend on ya "

This is called " Due diligence"...the Braiford way .

Pretty specific allegations !!!!!

Been tested 103 times never positive !!! didnt think the old BCF carried out so many tests on the 80's ???

 

[bobbins]

Originally Posted by Darryl Webster
PMSL.... I suppose it,l go somat like this :

Brailford " Shane , did you ever dope?".... Shane.. " No boss"

Brailford " You never put a needle in ya bum at a criterium in 88 and passed the needle to another rider who then used it to? "

Shane " No Boss"



Brailord " And you never used your then managers urine in a drinks can to pour into the sample jar in a big race in Ireland? "... Shane.. " No Boss"

Brailford. " Thanks Shane..knew I could depend on ya "

This is called " Due diligence"...the Braiford way .

Pretty specific allegations !!!!!

Been tested 103 times never positive !!! didnt think the old BCF carried out so many tests on the 80's ???

I don't think Daryl is the best witness, could have been caffeine, especially before a crit. I've heard Shane is good at winding people up so to give the benefit of the doubt he may have been messing with a new young pro.

Haven't heard anything about him and have raced against loads in the 90s. Lots of talk but little else.

If he was dirty, would Chris Hoy work with him?

 

[hrotha]

I don't think Daryl is the best witness, could have been caffeine, especially before a crit. I've heard Shane is good at winding people up so to give the benefit of the doubt he may have been messing with a new young pro.

Haven't heard anything about him and have raced against loads in the 90s. Lots of talk but little else.

If he was dirty, would Chris Hoy work with him?

Why wouldn't Darryl be a good witness? I'd trust him to have enough insider knowledge to know what was happening right in front of his eyes. You really think he was sharing syringes as a sort of prank? That really sounds more believable to you than the alternative, simpler explanation that he was doping?

Why would Chris Hoy work with Sutton if he was dirty? Maybe because Chris Hoy didn't care. Put it this way: was Leinders dirty? Did Sky work with him?

 

[Telmisartan new]

I've been thinking about this, and I'm not so sure any more.

He adopts a strict zero-tolerance policy to much fanfare.

He either then seccumbs to rider wishes, or through his own volition employs staff that to his likely knowledge don't meet that policy criteria.

This is stupidity.

He then sits back when questions are raised post USADA, and does nothing besides affirming the original policy, inviting media hostile to News Corp to start sniffing and making his staff and riders uncomfortable.

Appalling man-management - did he not expect this to happen?

Maybe his 'suspect employee' has got the lawyers in.

Only thing I can think of.

No question, appalling management since Sky's inception,DB's made many mistakes,chief among them presuming press/fans won't look into issues of doping that surround his team,what i am saying is that why would you call a press conference (when your already under heavy pressure and have been since the Postal performance at the Tour) if you have no intention of doing anything.That's treating the assembled press pack like fools and they dont like that.The proof is in the pudding, i confidently predict at least 2-3 riders/staff get the bullet.

Just an aside but why would Porte say Brailsford is super-stressed about it if he's not sacking people?

 

[Don Quixote]

Just an aside but why would Porte say Brailsford is super-stressed about it if he's not sacking people?

Not sure, but it seems an odd comment if there's nothing to hide, and nothing to action.

 

[MatParker117]

No question, appalling management since Sky's inception,DB's made many mistakes,chief among them presuming press/fans won't look into issues of doping that surround his team,what i am saying is that why would you call a press conference (when your already under heavy pressure and have been since the Postal performance at the Tour) if you have no intention of doing anything.That's treating the assembled press pack like fools and they dont like that.The proof is in the pudding, i confidently predict at least 2-3 riders/staff get the bullet.

Just an aside but why would Porte say Brailsford is super-stressed about it if he's not sacking people?

I think Yates may be sacked in the next week or so and losing your head DS is going to worry any General Manager.

 

[bobbins]

Why wouldn't Darryl be a good witness? I'd trust him to have enough insider knowledge to know what was happening right in front of his eyes. You really think he was sharing syringes as a sort of prank? That really sounds more believable to you than the alternative, simpler explanation that he was doping?

Why would Chris Hoy work with Sutton if he was dirty? Maybe because Chris Hoy didn't care. Put it this way: was Leinders dirty? Did Sky work with him?

By all accounts he was a bit of a joker, I don't doubt what Daryl thinks he saw, just doubt how sinister it really was.

I'd think Chris Hoy has higher principals than Sky and has far more to lose by being associated with someone dirty.

 

[Don Quixote]

By all accounts he was a bit of a joker, I don't doubt what Daryl thinks he saw, just doubt how sinister it really was.

Is this his current defence being wheeled out?

 

[bobbins]

Is this his current defence being wheeled out?

Yates has a positive and history at USPS, Sutton hasn't any of that, would be nice to know what we are condemning him for.

I've been around the uk scene for years and by all accounts he's a not dirty.

 

[ultimobici]

Yates has a positive and history at USPS, Sutton hasn't any of that, would be nice to know what we are condemning him for.

I've been around the uk scene for years and by all accounts he's a not dirty.

Was he sanctioned? No.

Therefore not a positive.

As for his association with the likes of Motoman, that's another matter.

 

[Don Quixote]

Yates has a positive and history at USPS, Sutton hasn't any of that, would be nice to know what we are condemning him for.

I've been around the uk scene for years and by all accounts he's a not dirty.

It seems that the allegations are pretty specific, and that there's more than one witness to them.

His defence is that despite the needles, it was horseplay?

I think Brailsford will be a complete laughing stock if that's wheeled out - true or not.

Seriously, I think he'll get torn to pieces.