Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Don Quixote]

How long before Persil become a co-sponsor?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

How long before Persil become a co-sponsor?

Or ipecac?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Vaughters is going to have conniptions, surely!? This is not sticking to the script of "team clean"s sticking together.

 

[arjanh]

So, who's left at Sky, then? Can't be many...

 

[armchairclimber]

Perhaps Bacofoil Milliners?

 

[racyrichuk]

Brailsford emptying the cupboards to make space ready for Wiggins, Froome, Rogers etc etc

Well, if this article is well-informed, all the riders have been interviewed and passed. So Rogers' past didn't catch up with him.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...am-Sky-will-show-no-mercy-in-doping-cull.html

 

[Don Quixote]

Vaughters is going to have conniptions, surely!? This is not sticking to the script of "team clean"s sticking together.

Sky V Garmin - you just know they're desperate for each other to flop spectacularly.

I really don't know how Fran does it.

 

[peterst6906]

Well, if this article is well-informed, all the riders have been interviewed and passed. So Rogers' past didn't catch up with him

Yet!

Doesn`t mean it won`t.

 

[skimazk]

with de Jongh gone, servais knaven, the other DS is bound to follow shortly as he was implicated in the same TVM scandal (tour 98) and has been associated with EPO more than De Jongh

 

[Telmisartan new]

with de Jongh gone, servais knaven, the other DS is bound to follow shortly as he was implicated in the same TVM scandal (tour 98) and has been associated with EPO more than De Jongh

Knaven is finished there too.People shouldnt be sure Rogers is safe, that's by no means certain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M

 

[BroDeal]

When does the fruit of Barloworld get picked and tossed in the rubbish bin?

 

[skidmark]

Vaughters is going to have conniptions, surely!? This is not sticking to the script of "team clean"s sticking together.

What script do you mean? Wouldn't you say that Vaughters broke that 'script' last week already when he publicly criticized Sky's approach? Or when he said on this forum that he couldn't care less about Sky?

 

[skidmark]

When does the fruit of Barloworld get picked and tossed in the rubbish bin?

What? I thought Moises Duenas Nevado was the only doper there.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

So the Zero tolerance policy is working after all..

The new affirmation of zero tolerance, only brought in because their hand was forced by some people involved in the "clean team" being mentioned in a scandal so big it transcended the cycling press to make the international headlines, is working to an extent.

However, I still would like to point out that we were told right at the start that Team Sky would have a zero-tolerance policy on doping and would be transparent. I still see some guys with history in the team and I still see no transparency. So while this purging is a positive sign, I am forced to remember that this is the result of claiming to have that policy in the past and being proven to be either stupendously naïve or have been lying, so as a result, I am forced to take every pronouncement of zero tolerance with an entire shaker of salt.

Again, Sky backed themselves into a corner with their rhetoric, so when they're shown to have been either lying or overly naïve, they take much more criticism for it than other teams who have not made the untenable promises that Sky made. It is mighty difficult to get a zero tolerance policy going in today's péloton with so many DSes, staff and so on that were around in the EPO era. Riders may be easier to come by, but if you've compromised on the staff, you may as well compromise on the riders and buy in guys like Mick Rogers. I mean, why not? In for a penny, in for a pound, as an overly affected English caricature like Wiggins might say. The problem is, of course, that by doing so you run the risk of a major fall if one of those guys' pasts catches up with them, and that has happened.

Regardless of whether Team Sky are clean or dirty, these purgings were always going to be an inevitable consequence of the corner their rhetoric forced them into, because while they may have wanted to retain all these guys, and these guys may have done nothing wrong while at Team Sky, specialist press would not let them forget their insincerity.

 

[AussieEdge]

Question

Do Sky or others within cycling think the blame should be on teams/managers for the doping & culture rather than the riders?

Lets say yes, then it explains why staff not riders getting the axe

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Question

Do Sky or others within cycling think the blame should be on teams/managers for the doping & culture rather than the riders?

Lets say yes, then it explains why staff not riders getting the axe

With Sky, the policy is "Zero tolerance" and applies to everyone.

 

[simo1733]

It will be interesting to see where they will find expierienced coaches/DS who are not implicated in doping.

 

[Don Quixote]

It will be interesting to see where they will find expierienced coaches/DS who are not implicated in doping.

Well that only matters if you have expectations. Of winning.

But right now the criteria of success in cycling is not measured by ones palmares, but by ones cleanliness.

Who cares who wins?

 

[AussieEdge]

With Sky, the policy is "Zero tolerance" and applies to everyone.

But if you don't blame someone, your not going to apply that to them are you?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

But if you don't blame someone, your not going to apply that to them are you?

Oh wait. Noone doped at Sky, so Brailsford is safe

 

[veganrob]

What is interesting is Brailsford said earlier in the week that he expected to lose more due to the Zero tolerance policy. Well if he knew that, why did he hire them in the first place. He had to have known. Or was it not really the clean team before. What a liar.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

What is interesting is Brailsford said earlier in the week that he expected to lose more due to the Zero tolerance policy. Well if he knew that, why did he hire them in the first place. He had to have known. Or was it not really the clean team before. What a liar.

They must have decided a steady trickle was better than a glut?

 

[thehog]

Maybe little Richie Porte is safe now?

 

[BroDeal]

It will be interesting to see where they will find expierienced coaches/DS who are not implicated in doping.

The trick is to find those who won't implicate themselves. It is like an IQ test with a person's family's livlihood on the line. It won't be hard at all.

Go Team Omerta!

 

[Ferminal]

Isn't Brailsford negligent for signing these people in the first place "without knowing their history", who will sack him? Who will ask him if he ever knowingly hired someone with a doping history.

The trick is to find those who won't implicate themselves. It is like an IQ test with a person's family's livlihood on the line. It won't be hard at all.

Go Team Omerta!

The funny thing is it sounds like they are getting a nice payout .

Hush...