Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[martinvickers]

Outside from the fact that I actually know about the doping

Sorry, Hog, not good enough. Not even close. IF you have first hand evidence, present it. Otherwise, you're just full of ****...like, seriously, you decry all this supposed doping, yet, having the evidence, you keep it secret? No, not buying it.

there is substantial proof in the form of video evidence.
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If that video of him and Gerrans is the height of your 'substance', I think we can ignore you from now on.

I really want to think you have something productive, or useful to add. Much as Dear Wiggo can make me roll my eyes, some of his stuff is genuinely very thought provoking, same with Benotti.

But this stuff? It's just...petty, i suppose is the word.

 

[thehog]

if he had any real evidence he'd be showing it to everyone - he desperately wants to look like an insider, he posts news stories from other sites without attribution so they appear to be his own, etc. Wait til he hears Froome's latest remarks about the team not being aggressive enough at the Tour this year.

How's the Hincapie confession going? You said that wasn't coming did you not?

 

[mastersracer]

How's the Hincapie confession going? You said that wasn't coming did you not?

yes, good example of your 'insider' knowledge. Make vague claim that Hincapie's confession in 'a few days' then a few weeks later when he makes a public statement AFTER USADA releases his testimony, claim you predicted that.

Now you claim to have proof of doping at Sky but refuse to make it public. Sure.

 

[Sarcastic Wet Trout]

Genius.

Hey Lil Wiggo - Don't you find this 'accident' with Wiggins a little too convenient? And having a team car on the scene?

Another bullet in the doping chamber.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Where did USADA show Yates doped or that Leinder's doped rabobank?

Questions were being asked about Sky long before that. Sky bowed to the pressure to try and clean their appearance and hide the evidence.

We saw the riders doing it from Paris Nice to the TdF, but they cleared out staff not riders. Like that would be acceptable!

Brailsford has not provided a reason for not keeping TdF winning Doctor Geert Leinders with the team?

He has also in the interests of transparency not told what the investigation about Leinders discovered.

Ah transparency tranparency transparency. This word seems not to reach the peloton!

Barry?
So, this is your long-winded way of saying there is no link to the Clinic providing the irrefutable evidence that made Yates and Julich jump ship.

What you are really saying is that they jumped ship over fear of speculation from this place.
Right.

Like I said: Delusions come from both ends of the spectrum.

 

[Benotti69]

Barry?
So, this is your long-winded way of saying there is no link to the Clinic providing the irrefutable evidence that made Yates and Julich jump ship.

What you are really saying is that they jumped ship over fear of speculation from this place.
Right.

Like I said: Delusions come from both ends of the spectrum.

Delusions of Sky's cleanliness are higher

 

[Gloin22]

How's the Hincapie confession going? You said that wasn't coming did you not?

Ever knowing Hog, what would we do without you I wonder USADA should hire you man, you seem to know a lot.

LOL

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Hey Lil Wiggo - Don't you find this 'accident' with Wiggins a little too convenient? And having a team car on the scene?

Another bullet in the doping chamber.

Not sure if I am following you here.

Any accident between a car and a rider is just plain yuck. I have not commented to date because it's sickening - having had one myself - and it's a mental as much as a physical thing.

Brad is well enough to flip the bird, so at a guess nothing's seriously wrong. After my first bike accident I was unconcious for 20 minutes and doped to the gills on pain killers all the way to the hospital. Didn't have the energy to smile let alone sit in a car unassisted and flip the bird at people for the next 6 weeks.

You can tell how hurt someone is from the energy they have later and that finger was brimming with GTFO energy

Team car? Dunno what you're talking about.

Brad seems ill equipped for his new life of celebrity and wealth. A short-coming of team sky, nay an INDICTMENT of the complete lack of "attention to detail" from Team Sky to look after their riders.

I am dismayed.

Brad is not endearing himself to many, at a guess. A curious approach to his newly elevated status on the world stage.

None of this plays any part in Brad's doping or evidence thereof.

 

[coinneach]

Not sure if I am following you here.

Any accident between a car and a rider is just plain yuck. I have not commented to date because it's sickening - having had one myself - and it's a mental as much as a physical thing.

Brad is well enough to flip the bird, so at a guess nothing's seriously wrong. After my first bike accident I was unconcious for 20 minutes and doped to the gills on pain killers all the way to the hospital. Didn't have the energy to smile let alone sit in a car unassisted and flip the bird at people for the next 6 weeks.

You can tell how hurt someone is from the energy they have later and that finger was brimming with GTFO energy

Team car? Dunno what you're talking about.

Brad seems ill equipped for his new life of celebrity and wealth. A short-coming of team sky, nay an INDICTMENT of the complete lack of "attention to detail" from Team Sky to look after their riders.

I am dismayed.

Brad is not endearing himself to many, at a guess. A curious approach to his newly elevated status on the world stage.

None of this plays any part in Brad's doping or evidence thereof.

Dear Wiggo: thanks for your thoughful and respectful comments:
they came as a bit of a surprise to me, but I can't let the moment pass without comment!

As for Brad not endearing himself to many, I guess he's finding life a bit hard, coming down from that massive high of 2012. Grahame Obree & Tyler Hamilton have both written about suffering from depression: were anti-depressants not, one season, the main prescribed drug written out for procyclists? More than antibiotics even!

I'm sure he'll be back for one more season though, and we can enjoy much debate about his performances in 2013!

 

[armchairclimber]

yes, good example of your 'insider' knowledge. Make vague claim that Hincapie's confession in 'a few days' then a few weeks later when he makes a public statement AFTER USADA releases his testimony, claim you predicted that.

Now you claim to have proof of doping at Sky but refuse to make it public. Sure.

Hog tied.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Hog tied.

So, the Hog tells porkie pies.
Too many pig tales.
Clearly, he's disGRUNTled with Sky.

Apologies in advance for lack of quality.

 

[ebandit]

shame

So, the Hog tells porkie pies.
Too many pig tales.
Clearly, he's disGRUNTled with Sky.

Apologies in advance for lack of quality.

it's a shame when members lie/make stuff up .......how does that help find the

truth.............it just adds to the garbage/confusion ( i have asked the hog

several times to back up statements made and am ignored/fobbed off )

if team sky have been doping the truth will be found soon enough

 

[thehog]

yes, good example of your 'insider' knowledge. Make vague claim that Hincapie's confession in 'a few days' then a few weeks later when he makes a public statement AFTER USADA releases his testimony, claim you predicted that.

Now you claim to have proof of doping at Sky but refuse to make it public. Sure.

All good well but you derided myself and there would NOT be a Hincapie confession.



How did them apples work out?

Bit like your "smoking is safer than air pollution" theorem after the Wiggins photo appeared. I'm still waiting for the proof on that one!

It's easy to come on this board and kick on everyone else whilst providing zero proof, nothing in regards to the reasons why. You're extremely one dimensional.


Just to keep you happy. Sky are 100% clean. No doping going on. Especially Chris Froome. Clean. And little Richie Porte has never doped at Sky

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

How did them apples work out?

I know the phrase 'How do you like them/those apples' but what does that mean?

 

[thehog]

All good well but you derided myself and there would NOT be a Hincapie confession.



How did them apples work out?

Bit like your "smoking is safer than air pollution" theorem after the Wiggins photo appeared. I'm still waiting for the proof on that one!

It's easy to come on this board and kick on everyone else whilst providing zero proof, nothing in regards to the reasons why. You're extremely one dimensional.


Just to keep you happy. Sky are 100% clean. No doping going on. Especially Chris Froome. Clean. And little Richie Porte has never doped at Sky

Thanks Hog. Keep it up. You may face opposition today but the tide will turn. Just like Postal. You fought the battle and was vindicated in the end

 

[ebandit]

ms

Thanks Hog. Keep it up. You may face opposition today but the tide will turn. Just like Postal. You fought the battle and was vindicated in the end

ms hog congratulates themselves 'well done ....what is truth? only

something that gets in the way of a good story'.......keep it up

hoggie.....but remember forum rule no. 11

if the truth comes out re team sky and they are dopers it will be because

they doped not because the hog loves the team sky thread ( 368 posts to

date )

 

[thehog]

ms hog congratulates themselves 'well done ....what is truth? only

something that gets in the way of a good story'.......keep it up

hoggie.....but remember forum rule no. 11

if the truth comes out re team sky and they are dopers it will be because

they doped not because the hog loves the team sky thread ( 368 posts to

date )

Sky are 100% clean. They're strength is based on hard work alone. Especially Chris Froome. And Richie Porte is clean as well.

I believe you. There's no proof. Until then Sky are clean.

Never tested positive. So Sky are clean. That's all we can go on. Until otherwise Sky are officially clean.

 

[ebandit]

sky

Sky are 100% clean. They're strength is based on hard work alone. Especially Chris Froome. And Richie Porte is clean as well.

I believe you. There's no proof. Until then Sky are clean.

i have stated so many times.....i would not at all be surprised if sky are later

found to have doped............after all this is cycle racing...........however

for now they are clean as there is zero proof

remember evidence must be proven not made up by yourself

 

[noddy69]

Outside from the fact that I actually know about the doping there is substantial proof in the form of video evidence.

I've shown the Froome links and just how ridiculous his improvement is. But you need positive tests? And of course we're aware they're 100% failsafe LOL!

Sadly you'll never get the proof you need. Because they won't be testing positive anytime soon.

In the face of the video evidence if thats not good enough for you I can't help you. If you don't want to see it you can't see it.

Sorry if I havent the patience to read through every page to see what you have posted already on the proof so would you mind answering a few Q.

How do you know about the doping ? What form is it taking and who is involved ?
What video evidence proves doping ? surely not just videos of races or if it is just that how does it constitute proof ?

Willing to believe what your saying has substance but certainly need more than just a "you know"........if you have already answered before Ive missed it so apologies if I have.

 

[thehog]

i have stated so many times.....i would not at all be surprised if sky are later

found to have doped............after all this is cycle racing...........however

for now they are clean as there is zero proof

remember evidence must be proven not made up by yourself

Sky are clean. Not one positive test. Clean.

Until then its only speculation. Nothing else.

Sky are a clean team with zero tolerance for doping. No positive tests means no doping.

Especially Chris Froome. Not one positive tests and many many controls.

Richie Porte also. Clean. 100's of tests.

Everything else is just conjecture, hearsay and speculation.

No proof.

 

[thehog]

What video evidence proves doping ? surely not just videos of races or if it is just that how does it constitute proof ?
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First slowly sit back. Don't hold a position that Sky are doping or not doping. Just have an open mind. It could be either.

Then watch Froome at the 2009 up San Luca and watch stage 17 at the 2011 then the 2012 Tour.

Based on what you see what would you deduce in regards to performance? Not doping but performance.

What would this sequence of events tell you? Remember hold an open mind. What does the trajectory of Chris Froome tell you in regards to his performance? (keep the doping aside for one moment).

 

[Mellow Velo]

I know the phrase 'How do you like them/those apples' but what does that mean?

As with the post below yours, where Hog quotes, then thanks himself, it's a self-congratulatory phrase; basically: "my argument is better than yours".


As for "predicting" a Hincapie confession, given the federal investigation, Grand Jury testimonies, Olympic non-selection and USADA's evidence in waiting, that was about as astute as predicting the Sun comes up in the morning.
No "insider knowledge" required.

 

[thehog]

As with the post below yours, where Hog quotes, then thanks himself, it's a self-congratulatory phrase; basically: "my argument is better than yours".

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Stick to the schoolboy jokes about foreskin. I mean really highbrow stuff going on there MV. D1ck jokes, seriously? How old are you?

 

[AcademyCC]

Barry?
So, this is your long-winded way of saying there is no link to the Clinic providing the irrefutable evidence that made Yates and Julich jump ship.

What you are really saying is that they jumped ship over fear of speculation from this place.
Right.

Like I said: Delusions come from both ends of the spectrum.

Michael Barry! That was your best effort. Barry was a sacrificial lamb thrown to the wolves to keep them happy. Just like Leinders, just like Yates.

Irrefutable evidence? give me a break. That's Armstrong 101.

 

[thehog]

First slowly sit back. Don't hold a position that Sky are doping or not doping. Just have an open mind. It could be either.

Then watch Froome at the 2009 up San Luca and watch stage 17 at the 2011 then the 2012 Tour.

Based on what you see what would you deduce in regards to performance? Not doping but performance.

What would this sequence of events tell you? Remember hold an open mind. What does the trajectory of Chris Froome tell you in regards to his performance? (keep the doping aside for one moment).

It's an excellent post Hog. Be interested in the replies you get - if any.