Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Franklin]

wow! not only is he a doctor..............but a world leader in sports science
way ahead of the opposition

maybe............maybe not

I'm so sorry that the facts show that indeed show he's indeed one of the best doping doctors.

Facts, instead of faith.

Oh and the facts also show that he wasn't just taking care of the riders health. He was giving out epo and leading the progrm.

I'm sorry that these facts don't match your biggest hopes.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

is this the FGL 'lets diss boardman thread' or the sky thread?

Alas the man/woman who is outta get 'the Hog' in every thread? Do not be a hypocrite all of the time, please, it gets annoying.

Back on topic: Wiggo really wants to do the Giro-Tour double next year:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-includes-tirreno-adriatico-in-giro-build-up-race-programme

Guess he smoked a little bit too much pot.

 

[thehog]

Alas the man/woman who is outta get 'the Hog' in every thread? Do not be a hypocrite all of the time, please, it gets annoying.

Back on topic: Wiggo really wants to do the Giro-Tour double next year:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-includes-tirreno-adriatico-in-giro-build-up-race-programme

Guess he smoked a little bit too much pot.

"Hi Geert its Dave. I've got Brad and Froome-dawg with me. Listen we've got problems. Big problems. TheHog from the Clinic is on to us. We've deployed the forums Bots to attack him but the resistance is strong. So you may need to lay low for a while. Now remember what we agreed - 'saddle sores and extreme heat' ok? Got it Geert?, lets speak soon. Remember the code phrase when answering he phone - 'jolly jolly hockeysticks 1-2-3' "


"Ok Davje, nien problemejs. Saddlesjes heat and extremeej sores in buttocks regianal. joojlly jolly hoogaland sticks may break my bonesj but EPO will never hurt you. Tot ziens Dave"

 

[ebandit]

wiggo

Alas the man/woman who is outta get 'the Hog' in every thread? Do not be a hypocrite all of the time, please, it gets annoying.

Back on topic: Wiggo really wants to do the Giro-Tour double next year:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-includes-tirreno-adriatico-in-giro-build-up-race-programme

Guess he smoked a little bit too much pot.

if your annoyed.............tough! sure i question the nonsense hoggie comes out with............i repeat.........'i don't like the smell of bs'

don't worry wiggo won't be winning another grand tour

 

[ferryman]

"Hi Geert its Dave. I've got Brad and Froome-dawg with me. Listen we've got problems. Big problems. TheHog from the Clinic is on to us. We've deployed the forums Bots to attack him but the resistance is strong. So you may need to lay low for a while. Now remember what we agreed - 'saddle sores and extreme heat' ok? Got it Geert?, lets speak soon. Remember the code phrase when answering he phone - 'jolly jolly hockeysticks 1-2-3' "


"Ok Davje, nien problemejs. Saddlesjes heat and extremeej sores in buttocks regianal. joojlly jolly hoogaland sticks may break my bonesj but EPO will never hurt you. Tot ziens Dave"

Ok, a little known forum rule is hereby invoked - Mods discretion Nobody is allowed to complain about this post because it is........ very funny (and yes I know, a bit trolly). Nevertheless rule 12B(xxviii) is hereby invoked

 

[xcleigh]

Ok, a little known forum rule is hereby invoked - Mods discretion Nobody is allowed to complain about this post because it is........ very funny (and yes I know, a bit trolly). Nevertheless rule 12B(xxviii) is hereby invoked

No complaints here. It's the Hog doing what he does best, making S@&t up and playing to the gallery!

 

[Froome19]

yes, that would be the normal way. Now should any of the implicated find themselves with no assets later in life, perhaps we will see another book from somebody.

The normal way?

I never heard anything like that within the USADA documents?

 

[sniper]

But Sky have played the Leinders game wisely.
Unfortunately, from what I've read thus far, most media are portraying it positively, as if Sky with their zero-tolerance policy dumped Leinders as soon as they 'found out' about his cloudy past at Rabo. So in the mainstream media, the Leinders case basically provides a confirmation of the success of Sky's zero tolerance policy.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Ok, a little known forum rule is hereby invoked - Mods discretion Nobody is allowed to complain about this post because it is........ very funny (and yes I know, a bit trolly). Nevertheless rule 12B(xxviii) is hereby invoked

Good post, Hog (and Ferryman).

 

[will10]

But Sky have played the Leinders game wisely.
Unfortunately, from what I've read thus far, most media are portraying it positively, as if Sky with their zero-tolerance policy dumped Leinders as soon as they 'found out' about his cloudy past at Rabo. So in the mainstream media, the Leinders case basically provides a confirmation of the success of Sky's zero tolerance policy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAtYq5yPByc

 

[Dazed and Confused]

The normal way?

I never heard anything like that within the USADA documents?

USADA got nothing to do with it.

 

[sniper]

But Sky have played the Leinders game wisely.
Unfortunately, from what I've read thus far, most media are portraying it positively, as if Sky with their zero-tolerance policy dumped Leinders as soon as they 'found out' about his cloudy past at Rabo. So in the mainstream media, the Leinders case basically provides a confirmation of the success of Sky's zero tolerance policy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAtYq5yPByc

I merely mean to reiterate what I've been saying day in day out:
those dumb ****s and imbecils a.k.a. as cycling journalists are simply buying whatever Sky (and Sky-propagators such as Millar/Vaughters) sell them.

Another victory for the "the perception is reality" dogma.

 

[Froome19]

USADA got nothing to do with it.

Surely such facts would have been mentioned by the riders to USADA?
Why miss out that bit of information whilst they have told close to everything else, it may even seem to take the guilt of their shoulders a bit in some eyes..

 

[will10]

The media allowing Sky off the hook with Leinders doesn't mean they've played the game "wisely". IMO.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Surely such facts would have been mentioned by the riders to USADA?
Why miss out that bit of information whilst they have told close to everything else, it may even seem to take the guilt of their shoulders a bit in some eyes..

The Sky deals for the guys that were terminated involved payments which very likely prevents the involved from providing information, i.e. talk about the team etc and pay the cash back. Looks like normal procedure and its got nothing to do with USADA.

 

[JimmyFingers]

The Sky deals for the guys that were terminated involved payments which very likely prevents the involved from providing information, i.e. talk about the team etc and pay the cash back. Looks like normal procedure and its got nothing to do with USADA.

Do you have first knowledge of this or is it either gossip or merely wild speculation?

 

[sniper]

The media allowing Sky off the hook with Leinders doesn't mean they've played the game "wisely". IMO.

agreed. the media are letting them off the hook. they're getting away with a blue eye and some scratches. for now, at least.

 

[Joachim]

Wild speculation= Clinic 'fact'.

 

[thehog]

Ivan Basso likes to speculate as well

“Look. It’s the same discussion as always, it’s like watching the Tour when Lance [Armstrong] or [Miguel] Indurain raced. You could try to attack, get ahead, but then what are you going to do? Just to have a laugh?” Basso said, sitting on the steps of the team bus.

“If he [Wiggins] goes as they have been, where Richie Porte is pulling and you are on the wheel pushing 420 watts, then explain to me, where are you going to go?

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/07/news/basso-its-useless-to-try-to-stop-sky_230769

 

[ferryman]

Ivan Basso likes to speculate as well

“Look. It’s the same discussion as always, it’s like watching the Tour when Lance [Armstrong] or [Miguel] Indurain raced. You could try to attack, get ahead, but then what are you going to do? Just to have a laugh?” Basso said, sitting on the steps of the team bus.

“If he [Wiggins] goes as they have been, where Richie Porte is pulling and you are on the wheel pushing 420 watts, then explain to me, where are you going to go?

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/07/news/basso-its-useless-to-try-to-stop-sky_230769

It's gonna be scary on here when Andy and Bertie go after being towed up with those numbers

 

[Joachim]

Let's have some more selective quoting from the same article shall we...


"I don’t judge Sky for just what they did this spring,” Basso told VeloNews. “For me, what they did at the Vuelta was incredible. Wiggins pulled off a miracle: crashed at the Tour, broke his collarbone and went strongly there. Only a champion can do that."

“They’ve done well to bring their captain and vice captain in their best condition. They are doing their work to make sure that those two are protected, nether too fast nor too slow. Like I said, they’re riders with big balls.”

 

[BroDeal]

Let's have some more selective quoting from the same article shall we...

"I don’t judge Sky for just what they did this spring,” Basso told VeloNews. “For me, what they did at the Vuelta was incredible. Wiggins pulled off a miracle: crashed at the Tour, broke his collarbone and went strongly there. Only a champion can do that."

“They’ve done well to bring their captain and vice captain in their best condition. They are doing their work to make sure that those two are protected, nether too fast nor too slow. Like I said, they’re riders with big balls.”

In Italian "big balls" means big program.

 

[ferryman]

I give up. Behave yourself kids.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Saxo missing out on the points from Rogers has really stuck in my craw.

But a recent article outlining riders moving to teams bringing their own salary has finally come to roost.

I wonder if Rogers' "leaving Sky deal" included paying his salary to Saxo.

Saxo don't get his points (?) but they do get a competent road captain (can't think off the top of my head who their Tour captain is and it ain't l'Espanol) and good rider who knows the ropes and the ins and outs of training programs and altitude camps.

It would be the easiest way to compensate Rogers (by paying someone else entirely) with the least amount of polemic wrt him leaving for doping-association reasons.

 

[thehog]

Saxo missing out on the points from Rogers has really stuck in my craw.

But a recent article outlining riders moving to teams bringing their own salary has finally come to roost.

I wonder if Rogers' "leaving Sky deal" included paying his salary to Saxo.

Saxo don't get his points (?) but they do get a competent road captain (can't think off the top of my head who their Tour captain is and it ain't l'Espanol) and good rider who knows the ropes and the ins and outs of training programs and altitude camps.

It would be the easiest way to compensate Rogers (by paying someone else entirely) with the least amount of polemic wrt him leaving for doping-association reasons.

It also poo poos 'marginal gains'; when you won clean then its ok just to give up your road captain and strongest mid stage GT domestique and say nothing about him leaving.

Doesn't add up.

Sky lost their DS and road captain after a stellar year with Tour and Gold Medal victories and it was treated like a junior mechanic leaving.