Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Mrs John Murphy]

Stay away from the matches then Jimmy.

 

[thehog]

Given that proving you're clean is a lot harder than proving someone doped, proving the clinic wrong is something of an oxymoron.

No it's not. It's very easy to prove you're clean.

Release your passport data, hire clean and ethical Doctors, release power data, answer journalists questions in regards to doping rather than telling them to go @@@@ themselves.

Showing your clean is not that hard. Many dont't do it for a reason.

 

[JRanton]

I'm guessing it is someone off the scene.

We'll know if Wiggins takes an interest in gardening who he's been hanging out with.

Sutton in his 'behind closed doors advisory role'?

I know Hog thinks that there is a Ferrari connection - but would they really go to someone who is almost certainly being watched?

I'd look for a name that is currently flying below the radar.

Aren't we missing the obvious? Tim Kerrison?

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Aren't we missing the obvious? Tim Kerrison?

No, he is just great on cadence, in swimming you have the same.

 

[sniper]

Not really no. It was speculation about Sky doping that brought about closer investigation of their backroom staff.

It was speculation about Armstrong that caused people to investigate the Ferrari connection.

Almost everything starts off with speculation and assumption.

thanks for saying this. no (or slow) progress without speculation (Darwin: "without speculation there is no good & original observation"). only reactionaries will object to that.

 

[JRanton]

No, he is just great on cadence, in swimming you have the same.

The fact that Kerrison followed Sky around in 2010 in his camper van always makes me chuckle. Remind us of anyone?

He learnt very quickly what was required to win the Tour de France. He worked out what was needed to win from the numbers that Contador and Schleck produced in 2010. Does anyone seriously believe that Sky thought that Wiggins or any other Brit on Sky could even get close to those numbers without the use of PED's? We even have one poster on here who has stated that BSKYB were told by Team Sky officials at the end of 2010 that the majority of the top ten in the 2010 Tour were using PED's. What happened next? The zero tolerance policy was ''relaxed'' at the end of 2010. Leinders, Bartalucci and Rogers role into town and hey presto, 18 months later Team Sky finish first and second with two British riders in the Tour de France.

 

[thehog]

The fact that Kerrison followed Sky around in 2010 in his camper van always makes me chuckle. Remind us of anyone?

He learnt very quickly what was required to win the Tour de France. He worked out what was needed to win from the numbers that Contador and Schleck produced in 2010. Does anyone seriously believe that Sky thought that Wiggins or any other Brit on Sky could even get close to those numbers without the use of PED's? We even have one poster on here who has stated that BSKYB were told by Team Sky officials at the end of 2010 that the majority of the top ten in the 2010 Tour were using PED's. What happened next? The zero tolerance policy was ''relaxed'' at the end of 2010. Leinders, Bartalucci and Rogers role into town and hey presto, 18 months later Team Sky finish first and second with two British riders in the Tour de France.

...and during that time cycling became clean. All of it.

 

[SundayRider]

...and during that time cycling became clean. All of it.

Not to mention the almost 1-2 at the vuelta in 2011.
Would have been really interesting to see what BW would have done at the Tour in 2011.

 

[JRanton]

...and during that time cycling became clean. All of it.

Indeed. The greatest conspiracy by far is to believe that Sky achieved what they did last year clean. In my humble opinion you'd have to be an absolute raving loony to believe they were clean. Hello Sky fans...

 

[del1962]

Indeed. The greatest conspiracy by far is to believe that Sky achieved what they did last year clean. In my humble opinion you'd have to be an absolute raving loony to believe they were clean. Hello Sky fans...

I am glad you said opinion, because as far as I can see you are full of sh.t

 

[del1962]

...and during that time cycling became clean. All of it.

Hi hoggie

10 Chars

 

[JRanton]

I am glad you said opinion, because as far as I can see you are full of sh.t

Good for you. Over the passage of time we'll find out who was right. Knowing the history and culture of this sport, the odds are massively stacked in my favour.

 

[JRanton]

I am glad you said opinion, because as far as I can see you are full of sh.t

So you think Sky are clean? Really?

 

[del1962]

Good for you. Over the passage of time we'll find out who was right. Knowing the history and culture of this sport, the odds are massively stacked in my favour.

I agree we will see who over the passage of time.

 

[sniper]

Indeed. The greatest conspiracy by far is to believe that Sky achieved what they did last year clean. In my humble opinion you'd have to be an absolute raving loony to believe they were clean. Hello Sky fans...

+1
and hello jv/millar.

 

[del1962]

So you think Sky are clean? Really?

Probablly clean, as you said the passage of time will tell.

 

[SundayRider]

Probablly clean, as you said the passage of time will tell.

what % would you put on them being clean?

 

[sniper]

Indeed. The greatest conspiracy by far is to believe that Sky achieved what they did last year clean. In my humble opinion you'd have to be an absolute raving loony to believe they were clean. Hello Sky fans...

+1
Same wrt Hesjedal 2012 and Wiggo 2009, in my humble opinion.

 

[del1962]

what % would you put on them being clean?

maybe 90%, but time will tell

 

[thehog]

Hi hoggie

10 Chars

Hi del1962!

How's your spelling coming along?

It's looking better.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

Indeed. The greatest conspiracy by far is to believe that Sky achieved what they did last year clean. In my humble opinion you'd have to be an absolute raving loony to believe they were clean. Hello Sky fans...

You have to be a complete dolt to conclude that believing Sky rode clean constitutes a conspiracy.

 

[sniper]

You have to be a complete dolt to conclude that believing Sky rode clean constitutes a conspiracy.

with a bit of fantasy you could call UCI/Sky/Garmin's proactive attempts at spreading the clean cycling message a conspiracy, as all three parties know damn well it's about perception, not reality.

 

[JRanton]

You have to be a complete dolt to conclude that believing Sky rode clean constitutes a conspiracy.

Why so?

..

 

[DirtyWorks]

Probablly clean, as you said the passage of time will tell.

I'm giving you one chance before you end up on the ignore list. Please post your evidence of their cleanliness. Be specific, because Sky's GT team's teens placings to field crushing performances speak for themselves.

I'm always looking for more evidence. Post it up. Again, be specific.

 

[del1962]

I'm giving you one chance before you end up on the ignore list. Please post your evidence of their cleanliness. Be specific, because Sky's GT team's teens placings to field crushing performances speak for themselves.

I'm always looking for more evidence. Post it up. Again, be specific.

Just put me on your ignore list if that is your attitude.