Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[thehog]

Sorry, I didn't realize Rasmussen rode for Team Sky...

Geert Lienders did.

Rode the entire Tour team with blood.

You could at least be a little bit shocked!

Ok you're right. It was warming down why Sky smashed the field.

Nothing to do with Leinders.

 

[Bexon30]

Geert Lienders did.

Rode the entire Tour team with blood.

You could at least be a little bit shocked!

Ok you're right. It was warming down why Sky smashed the field.

Nothing to do with Leinders.

After doing some work in Sir Daves' new £1.5 million pound house you'll all be pleased to know it has a cellar. Yep who needs Vienna.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

how many documented deaths have been linked to micro-dosing doping programs?

how many documented studies have been done on health effects of micro-dosing doping programs?

it's actually much easier to just buy talent and throw $ at the sport. And laugh all you want at marginal gains, but even the French are starting to buy into that.

In cycling it has been shown that its much easier to buy talent and throw $ at the doping side.

 

[Lanark]

it's actually much easier to just buy talent and throw $ at the sport. And laugh all you want at marginal gains, but even the French are starting to buy into that.

People buy into a lot. In the 90's the Italians were congratulated for their professionalism. When Armstrong claimed that a small gear and stage reconaissance was the key to his succes, people copied it. When Riis´ team was succesfull, people started copying his survival camps. In the end, every time their succes came from a syringe, not their official pr doublespeak.

 

[mastersracer]

Geert Lienders did.

Rode the entire Tour team with blood.

You could at least be a little bit shocked!

Ok you're right. It was warming down why Sky smashed the field.

Nothing to do with Leinders.

If Leinders was paid to run a doping program, DB should be asking for his money back. Wiggins: no increase in power (been through all that). Froome: 5.8 watts/kg. Slow.

 

[Netserk]

If Leinders was paid to run a doping program, DB should be asking for his money back. Wiggins: no increase in power (been through all that). Froome: 5.8 watts/kg. Slow.

Yep no difference between Wiggo and Froome in '10 compared to '12. None. All the same

 

[the sceptic]

Yep no difference between Wiggo and Froome in '10 compared to '12. None. All the same

No increase in power. Only a 30% chance they doped.

 

[thehog]

"He injected my arm"

"Leinders stored the insulin in the fridge of the team bus"

 

[sniper]

"He injected my arm"

"Leinders stored the insulin in the fridge of the team bus"

"I fully trusted Leinders"

it's becoming clearer and clearer why Leinders was brought in by Brailsford.
Leinders wouldn't let anything burn.

 

[del1962]

"He injected my arm"

"Leinders stored the insulin in the fridge of the team bus"

The Rabbobank team bus, which is probably a better thread to discuss Leinder's doping involvement

 

[sniper]

by the way, interesting bit about how Rabobank knew of Rasmussen's high hematocrit when he was still at CSC.
We may again conclude that doping was being discussed quite openly in the peloton, also among DSs.

Goes to show once more how unlikely it is that Brailsford didn't know about Leinders' role at Rabo.

 

[xcleigh]

A brief Summary. Sky hypothesis'; The wider peloton is still doping massively and Team sky is now doping better than everyone else; everyone else is micro-doping, but Sky are going full beans on a massively advantageous program protected by the UCI; the wider peloton have reined back their doping bringing their performances to a level that allows Team sky to surpass the wider peloton due to a more scientific, professional approach to training (with no doping); the wider peloton have reined back their doping bringing their performances to a level that allows Team sky to surpass the wider peloton due to a more scientific, professional approach to training (and with leinders doping programme); Pretty sure there's more but take your pick as to which you prefer...

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Sky will keep control of the media and the Leinders trial won't affect them at all. They have control over the Murdoch group in the uk plus it seems the telegraph and the usual suspects such as Richard moor are so tame that they won't date breath a word of this trial and the implications on the zero tolerance team.

Richard Moore is a SkySport employee - just sayin'.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Saddle sores.

I hear you can get a backdated TUE for that.

Dave.

Wonder what the response of the 'Sky are clean' brigade will be...

maybe the have some saddle sore scientists that can explain everything to us uneducated fools.

If Sky management are the diabolical masterminds you claim them to be, do you think they'd actually run a doping program through Leinders? These programs aren't very complex (riders can do their own), and the doctors implicated, including Ferrari, aren't exactly evil geniuses.

Every Friday morning I read light hearted material as part of my wind down from the week.

This morning, CN forums provided quality laughs - especially you, MR, with your light sarcastic jab at all the EPO-related dead cyclists being clear examples of riders who can dope themselves.

 

[mastersracer]

Every Friday morning I read light hearted material as part of my wind down from the week.

This morning, CN forums provided quality laughs - especially you, MR, with your light sarcastic jab at all the EPO-related dead cyclists being clear examples of riders who can dope themselves.

Really? How many from micro-dosing? How many rider deaths have been linked to doping since 2008?

 

[D-Queued]

http://nos.nl/video/482051-hele-interview-rasmussen.html

The Chicken video is excellent. CSC gets a good mention I there as well as Dr. Blood Lienders.

"He put the needle in my arm"

Ooh that smell, the smell of death surrounds you, yeah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjAPoN8qs0Q

Dave.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Really? How many from micro-dosing? How many rider deaths have been linked to doping since 2008?

What are you on about?

 

[mastersracer]

What are you on about?

Sniper insinuated that Leinders was hired to run the Sky doping program because of the fear a rider may otherwise die. The last linked rider death to doping was 2003. Since the advent of the biopassport and the need to micro-dose, there is very little chance that a rider could die from such a program. Hence, the insinuated need to have a doctor to supervise it due to fear of imminent death is a red herring.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Sniper insinuated that Leinders was hired to run the Sky doping program because of the fear a rider may otherwise die. The last linked rider death to doping was 2003. Since the advent of the biopassport and the need to micro-dose, there is very little chance that a rider could die from such a program. Hence, the insinuated need to have a doctor to supervise it due to fear of imminent death is a red herring.

For once I would agree with sniper.
One of the reasons you get, you know, a Doctor, is because they are trained to assist with all the medical products that riders take so that they do not suffer any reaction, or even death.

 

[thehog]

Sniper insinuated that Leinders was hired to run the Sky doping program because of the fear a rider may otherwise die. The last linked rider death to doping was 2003. Since the advent of the biopassport and the need to micro-dose, there is very little chance that a rider could die from such a program. Hence, the insinuated need to have a doctor to supervise it due to fear of imminent death is a red herring.

Doping is healthy. It's excellent for recovery. You know that.

 

[thehog]

Ooh that smell, the smell of death surrounds you, yeah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjAPoN8qs0Q

Dave.

"Did Leinders dope others?"

"Sure he injected me with EPO, Thomas Dekker who just started on the team, he injected him also. And blood transfusion. We were the Tour riders. And Menchov"

"He put the needs in my arm, my arm, my arm..." (echo effect)

"The courier delivered the blood and Geert infused myself, myself myself, myself..." (echo effect).

 

[mastersracer]

For once I would agree with sniper.
One of the reasons you get, you know, a Doctor, is because they are trained to assist with all the medical products that riders take so that they do not suffer any reaction, or even death.

you might want to ask Manzano and some of Fuentes other clients about that.

 

[Netserk]

 

[Dr. Maserati]

you might want to ask Manzano and some of Fuentes other clients about that.

I am sorry, what should I ask?

Perhaps, why would Sky hire a doping doctor to join their team?
I didn't hear Rasmussen mention Dr. Leinders skills in the saddle sore area.

 

[thehog]

I want peer reviewed studies of African born white cyclists who have died whilst taking EpO and blood transfusions and looking at their power meters at the same time as death.