Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Ripper]

6.5 watts/kg is unicorn territory , 5.9 watts/kg is not. i guess yr too dumb to understand the science

LMAO ... incorrect assumption my dear friend. But you might be too simple to look at all the other factors, so the smokescreen of human capacity makes you believe.

I have some magic rings for you too

 

[willbick]

You said you knew millions, but cant name 10 and deflect to prove you are doing nothing but trolling.

Every single aspect of an athlete's training and many things in their life in general can have an effect on their performance. you seriously want me to list every thing in their entire training and racing regime??

 

[will10]

he wasnt 'up there at the finish' when with SKY so why should he be now??

You're right, even with the few leadership opportunities he had, Rogers had a terrible season in 2012.
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=114&year=2012&all=1&current=0

 

[Froome19]

Yep he doped to 4th in the Tour Down Under.

 

[Benotti69]

Every single aspect of an athlete's training and many things in their life in general can have an effect on their performance. you seriously want me to list every thing in their entire training and racing regime??

So only Sky do these things? the others are bone idle racers? A new team unlocks the secrets to training, diet and racing? Of course now i see it.

Seeya.

 

[Ripper]

Because they got beaten by 41 year old Chris Horner.

RS riders have proven 41 is the new 24.

Comparisons to CH are not perhaps the best ...

 

[willbick]

So only Sky do these things? the others are bone idle racers? A new team unlocks the secrets to training, diet and racing? Of course now i see it.

Seeya.

a new team does some aspects of cycle training a little bit better than other teams. is that so hard to believe ffs

 

[Benotti69]

You're right, even with the few leadership opportunities he had, Rogers had a terrible season in 2012.
http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=114&year=2012&all=1&current=0

Rogers finished 35th best in the peloton over the course of the 2012 season, not bad for a so called bottle fetcher

 

[will10]

Yep he doped to 4th in the Tour Down Under.

Best year of his career. His words not mine.

Rogers finished 35th best in the peloton over the course of the 2012 season, not bad for a so called bottle fetcher

23rd in 2012. 35th in the "rolling" ranking CQ uses.

 

[Netserk]

Yep he doped to 4th in the Tour Down Under.

So you think the podium was clean?

 

[Benotti69]

a new team does some aspects of cycle training a little bit better than other teams. is that so hard to believe ffs

OF course they do. experience in the sport counts for nothing, that is why in 2009 and 2010 they won so much, so had to call in the experience of Yates, Julich, Leinders etc etc.....

 

[Benotti69]

RS riders have proven 41 is the new 24.

Comparisons to CH are not perhaps the best ...

Ch put 6+ minutes into Hesjedal at ToC 2011.

 

[roundabout]

Best year of his career. His words not mine.

Good for him to not think much of his QS times.

 

[peterst6906]

it requires a hell of a lot of expensive organisation and dedication

Or in other words, a professional preparation.

In pro tour cycling expensive organisation and dedication often equates to the inclusion of doping. An unfortunate, but nevertheless true reality played out many times in the past.

 

[Franklin]

Sky, the team that refuses to sign the MPCC charter.

 

[willbick]

OF course they do. experience in the sport counts for nothing, that is why in 2009 and 2010 they won so much, so had to call in the experience of Yates, Julich, Leinders etc etc.....

its hardly surprising it took them a couple of years to find their feet. but now they are taking advantage of using all the training expertise gained from the UK track cycling team which has dominated that side of the sport for several years

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

jeeeesus - u really are ***. every single aspect of an athlete's training and many things in their life in general can have an effect on their performance. you seriously want me to list every thing in their entire training and racing regime??

Could y just act like a normal human being and be a little bit polite, Joachim?

 

[Parrulo]

i was wondering about something . . . seems like the "human limit" argument is the one being used the most by the sky fans.

what happens when somebody beats sky? i mean they are at the limit of human ability so if some1 beats them they are over it and must be doping, right?

which means no1 can beat sky clean, right?

just trying to understand where "clean cycling" stands at the moment

 

[Benotti69]

its hardly surprising it took them a couple of years to find their feet. but now they are taking advantage of using all the training expertise gained from the UK track cycling team which has dominated that side of the sport for several years

Of course, it must be the track training experience that has them winning the biggest race in the world. They just imagine the tarmac is wood. The secret is out.

 

[Franklin]

i was wondering about something . . . seems like the "human limit" argument is the one being used the most by the sky fans.

what happens when somebody beats sky? i mean they are at the limit of human ability so if some1 beats them they are over it and must be doping, right?

which means no1 can beat sky clean, right?

just trying to understand where "clean cycling" stands at the moment

The bigger issue is that somehow you would expect more clean people to pop up and known dopers to fade. It's clearly not happening... so what is going on?

 

[Ripper]

Ch put 6+ minutes into Hesjedal at ToC 2011.

Yup ... CH is just that good

 

[The Hitch]

i was wondering about something . . . seems like the "human limit" argument is the one being used the most by the sky fans.

what happens when somebody beats sky? i mean they are at the limit of human ability so if some1 beats them they are over it and must be doping, right?

which means no1 can beat sky clean, right?

just trying to understand where "clean cycling" stands at the moment

Don't you remember wiggins comment from last year? It was a perfect answer to the question you just posted.

He said that it is impossible to beat sly without drugs.

 

[Benotti69]

The bigger issue is that somehow you would expect more clean people to pop up and known dopers to fade. It's clearly not happening... so what is going on?

My guess is the UCI is deep in it, like Armstrong, where they dictated his wins in July. I wonder were big bets placed on Wiggins winning the 2012 TdF made by an Irishman and a Dutchman.

 

[willbick]

i was wondering about something . . . seems like the "human limit" argument is the one being used the most by the sky fans.

what happens when somebody beats sky? i mean they are at the limit of human ability so if some1 beats them they are over it and must be doping, right?

which means no1 can beat sky clean, right?

just trying to understand where "clean cycling" stands at the moment

Sky riders get beaten all the time

 

[Netserk]

Sky riders get beaten all the time

How many in the pro peloton do you think dopes? 3, 14, 45 or 200? Or just an estimation in %. 5%? 1%? Or none?