Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[bobbins]

Whilst Sir Dave does have an MBA (big deal), his continued spurting of this sort of bull**** is getting tiresome. Does he take us all for fools? A few management phrases and he thinks that the listening public are all nodding and in awe of him.

He's a great administrator but knows f all about bike racing. He needs to change script writers. His current one is obviously mental.

 

[Ferminal]

What about the football club Club Deportivo Tenerife. Imagine what the posters on forums say about them and doping. After all, they are always off training in Tenerife. Very convenient...

I bet they don't go on training camps to Andalucia.

 

[Mr.38%]

While I think the latest Guardian interview is a mess, the new vs. old style riding is an interesting view.

 

[thehog]

Whilst Sir Dave does have an MBA (big deal), his continued spurting of this sort of bull**** is getting tiresome. Does he take us all for fools? A few management phrases and he thinks that the listening public are all nodding and in awe of him.

He's a great administrator but knows f all about bike racing. He needs to change script writers. His current one is obviously mental.

JV will have an MBA soon from a Top 100 school.

These are new masters of the universe.

Cycling is in safe hands going forward.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

JV will have an MBA soon from a Top 100 school.

These are new masters of the universe.

Cycling is in safe hands going forward.

Sometimes the institute is not as important as what you do with it.

Brailsford went on to become director of British Cycling and a professional cycling team. You claim you got a degree from Cambridge and went on to make up fictional stories on a cycling forum.

Swings and roundabouts.

 

[thehog]

What about the football club Club Deportivo Tenerife. Imagine what the posters on forums say about them and doping. After all, they are always off training in Tenerife. Very convenient...

There’s been very few positives in football. Which indicates that the sport is largely clean. Probably a majority of the sport is clean with a few rouge individual dopers.

Which is good news.

As cycling is now clean. The dominant team this season Sky are clean which would lead one to believe the rest of the peloton is clean (probably).

Good news for sportsfans.

All sports are clean (probably).

My views have changed of recent. I do believe Sky are clean. If anything changes it may change my view but at this point it’s a stretch to believe the entire Giro and Tour teams are doping. Not with the passport.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Sometimes the institute is not as important as what you do with it.

Brailsford went on to become director of British Cycling and a professional cycling team. You claim you got a degree from Cambridge and went on to make up fictional stories on a cycling forum.

Swings and roundabouts.

Ben Bernanke has an even higher degree, does not hold him back on destroying the world economy.

Thanks for the analogy

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/video/2013/mar/19/sir-dave-brailsford-cycling-twitter
Sensor those bone idle Twitterw@nkers.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Sir DB strikes again: video included
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/video/2013/mar/19/sir-dave-brailsford-cycling-twitter

 

[sublimit]

JV will have an MBA soon from a Top 100 school.

These are new masters of the universe.

Cycling is in safe hands going forward.

Ex club rider Brailsford recently signs Cataldo, Dombrowski, Boswell etc. Ex pro rider JV signs Rasmmussen, Thomas Dekker.

I think I know what riders I prefer there.

 

[thehog]

Ben Bernanke has an even higher degree, does not hold him back on destroying the world economy.

Thanks for the analogy

The banking industry largely now refuses to hire MBA without 10 years of experience. There were too many paper MBAs in that era with no experience who also assisted in blowing up the world.

 

[Ferminal]

Well, at least JV is honest about the (ex)dopers on his team.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I did not know thehog had a degree from Cambridge. That is where the Smaht kids go.

with all the spew this Braillessford guy puts out it is hard to imagine he has a MBA in anything.

Well maybe he has a MBA in waste management? Big bucks in that ya know.

 

[DirtyWorks]

with all the spew this Braillessford guy puts out it is hard to imagine he has a MBA in anything.

Probably the surest sign of an MBA would be the volume of spew.

 

[JimmyFingers]

I did not know thehog had a degree from Cambridge. That is where the Smaht kids go.

with all the spew this Braillessford guy puts out it is hard to imagine he has a MBA in anything.

Well maybe he has a MBA in waste management? Big bucks in that ya know.

He does, it's just its Cambridge, Illinois

 

[the sceptic]

The idea, he said, was to learn to keep the "chimp" in check so that the body could perform a function with composure – like when an athlete is "in the zone" – almost on autopilot.

Brailsford likened this to how driving a car is at first scary and then becomes something most people can manage casually while multitasking with radios, smartphones.

"In sport people talk about the zone, switch off the frontal lobe, emotional engagement," he said. "Switch off the chimp. Penalty kicks are a great example [of how] silencing the chimp would be beneficial."

David Brentford with some words of wisdom there
Is this guy for real?

 

[mikehammer67]

oh god please no. Nothing could be worse than football sliming out of its own doping problems by claiming marginal gains.

nike oregon project seem to have a similar philosophy to sky(or spin as the case may be)

this being the case;

one might expect them to be using some of the same methods to achieve marginal gains as they operate at the same level in cycling and athletics

a comparison might be illuminating

 

[DirtyWorks]

UKAD seems to think they have the ability to

http://www.ukad.org.uk/what-we-do/results-management

"UK Anti-Doping can sanction athletes found to have committed an ADRV, a process that athletes can either accept or challenge through an established legal process."

Indeed the one current current Cycling realted ban was initiated by them

(Marcel Six)
http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/download-decision/a/6193

Sigh.... Quoting from the first page's subtitle in all caps, just like the document.

"IN THE MATTER OF PROCEEDINGS BROUGHT UNDER THE ANTI-DOPING RULES OF BRITISH CYCLING FEDERATION...."

BC is the lead, UKAD follows. You don't even have to read past page one of the posted link to understand that.

Maybe you've bought the story the IOC/UCI keeps telling about how powerful the bio-passport really is and so on. That would lead you to believe all kinds of falsehoods based on those sort-of-true-if-I-don't-read-the-standards-but-really-not-actually-true-at-all claims. You wouldn't be the first person mislead.

Don't take my word for it. Go to WADA's site and read the standards. Read UKAD's standards practices. And then, go read the UCI's anti-doping rules. I think you'll come to the same conclusion.

Back to my original point of BC and Sky being intertwined such that the notion that BC will actually enforce some anti-doping rules on Sky would be naive. Not that the UCI would give them the opportunity anyway.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

nike oregon project

a comparison might be illuminating

Nice one, altitude baby. So many athletics races are run at plus 2000 metres

UKAD follows.

They seem to have some funding problems, as well.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...-seeks-additional-funds-after-budget-cut.html

''Annual funding for U.K. Anti-Doping from the Department of Culture, Media and Sport will drop 12 percent to 5.729 million pounds ($8.5 million) in 2014-15. UKAD received 6.5 million pounds in 2012-2013 to help the London 2012 organizing committee deliver the biggest drug-testing program in the history of the games, with more than 5,000 samples.''

 

[Catwhoorg]

British Cycling sets the rules (well UCI/BC)

UKAD does the proceedings and enforcement of those rules ensuring WADA standards are followed.

British Cycling wasn't even present at the hearing, it was UKAD and the athlete (with representation) before a tribunal.

I don't know who decided the Canary Wharf race was to be subject to testing, that could have been BC, or UKAD. (or maybe even some 3rd party - I simply don't know)

 

[Winterfold]

He's a great administrator but knows f all about bike racing. He needs to change script writers. His current one is obviously mental.

LOL

I have to agree - his recent outbursts are making cav's rants on twitter and wiggo's press conferences look like a well oiled pr machine

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

LOL

I have to agree - his recent outbursts are making cav's rants on twitter and wiggo's press conferences look like a well oiled pr machine

Maybe that's the idea?

 

[zalacain]

re: Football Rio Ferdinand (who has been done in the past) is "letting the England squad down (because) there is the business of the United medical team having to micro-manage Ferdinand’s injuries."

 

[mikehammer67]

Nice one, altitude baby. So many athletics races are run at plus 2000 metres They seem to have some funding problems, as well.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...-seeks-additional-funds-after-budget-cut.html

''Annual funding for U.K. Anti-Doping from the Department of Culture, Media and Sport will drop 12 percent to 5.729 million pounds ($8.5 million) in 2014-15. UKAD received 6.5 million pounds in 2012-2013 to help the London 2012 organizing committee deliver the biggest drug-testing program in the history of the games, with more than 5,000 samples.''

i was thinking that if sky are serious about the 'minute 'details of 'marginal gains'

then presumably they should already have thought of everything else

not that i believe in it
it appears to be a gimmick

 

[DirtyWorks]

British Cycling sets the rules (well UCI/BC)

UKAD does the proceedings and enforcement of those rules ensuring WADA standards are followed.

British Cycling wasn't even present at the hearing, it was UKAD and the athlete (with representation) before a tribunal.

I don't know who decided the Canary Wharf race was to be subject to testing, that could have been BC, or UKAD. (or maybe even some 3rd party - I simply don't know)

Thank you! Keep in mind the linked case is a domestic, non-pro. There are no problems at BC sanctioning anyone that unimportant. The same is true in the U.S. Catching these amateur riders is good PR.

The rules are very different for elite riders. I don't have the Tammy Thomas follow-up article handy, but USA Cycling was running interference for her steroid use. There is no reason why BC would be any different. This is UCI cycling after all...

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

i was thinking that if sky are serious about the 'minute 'details of 'marginal gains'

If that were the case they would have given Froomey the right gearset in Tirreno or have a different bike ready for him. Even Astana had...

Marginal gains; BS, just look at the roadbook.