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[JimmyFingers]

If this isn't Wiggins saying doping is part of cycling and if you dont like it pi$$ off and watch football



We do what we do???????? = Doping.

Except football is full of doping, probably worse than cycling, but eff all testing

 

[richtea]

There is a huge step up in Wiggins' time trial level between 2008 (Olympic year) and 2009 (focusing on the road) in longer time trials, which would support your theory.

There's another very noticeable step up between 2011 and 2012, though, where he went from consistently in the top 10 and often top 5, to 1st in every long TT he entered, often by quite some way, and 2nd in every prologue but one.

While you are exaggerating the extent of the improvement (he didn't finish outside the top 4 in long ITTs in 2011), there was clearly a step change in results. This has often been explained by the weakness of Martin and Cancellara, so I've wondered how far his absolute performance changed over those two years.

To try and shed a little light on this, I have had a look at Wiggins vs the top 30 in each long ITT (to minimise the influence of particular individuals in these comparisons). In 2011, he completed long ITTs in 3% fewer seconds than the top 30 on average. In 2012, this gap rose to 4.9% - which is quite a jump. Clearly, there are limitations to this analysis, but perhaps of some interest.

 

[xcleigh]

Marx brothers couldnt even come up with these comedy capers.Because Brits are the mark for how good TT'ing should/could/would be?

That was actually a serious question, what would be an indicator of potential as a time triallist, I used a known time from a while back that I thought was quite good, apparently you don't think so?

Just on the Brits thing, people are questioning Wiggins (who is British) TT potential so I use a time set by Wiggins (who is British) to ask if this is any indication of Wiggins (who is British) TT potential. You're basically saying I should have used any early time by Tony Martin to ask about Wiggins (who is British) TT potential, mm ok?

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

That was actually a serious question, what would be an indicator of potential as a time triallist, I used a known time from a while back that I thought was quite good, apparently you don't think so?

There is not a dispute on if Wiggins is an okay TT'er. He may be one of the best from Britain all time.

Boardman also was quite good, did he destroy everyone in TT's?

I did not mean to offend you in my previous post, if so, my apologies.

 

[Benotti69]

Except football is full of doping, probably worse than cycling, but eff all testing

Oh so then it is ok for Wiggins to dope, thanks Jimbo.


Football is full of dope. Giggs does yoga to be able to play at 39? yeah right doped to his eyeballs.

 

[the sceptic]

While you are exaggerating the extent of the improvement (he didn't finish outside the top 4 in long ITTs in 2011), there was clearly a step change in results. This has often been explained by the weakness of Martin and Cancellara, so I've wondered how far his absolute performance changed over those two years.

To try and shed a little light on this, I have had a look at Wiggins vs the top 30 in each long ITT (to minimise the influence of particular individuals in these comparisons). In 2011, he completed long ITTs in 3% fewer seconds than the top 30 on average. In 2012, this gap rose to 4.9% - which is quite a jump. Clearly, there are limitations to this analysis, but perhaps of some interest.

Let me present, Sir Wiggins against riders that were top 15 in both Copenhagen and the Olympics.



Martin 1:16 ahead in Copenhagen, 0:42 behind in London.

Cancellara 0:05 behind in Copenhagen, 2:14 behind in London.

Grabsch 0:15 behind in Copenhagen, 2:38 behind in London.

Westra 2:03 behind in Copenhagen, 3:40 behind in London.

Fuglsang 2:15 behind in Copenhagen ,3:55 behind in London.

Castroviejo 2:19 behind in Copenhagen, 2:50 behind in London.

Brajkovic 2:30 behind in Copenhagen, 3:30 behind in London.

Phinney 2:36 behind in Copenhagen, 1:58 behind in London.

I dont know how anyone can spin this as anything other than an enormous improvement for Sir Wiggins.

Taking around 2 minutes on everyone (except for Phinney) in a year, thats insane.

 

[Benotti69]

Let me present, Sir Wiggins against riders that were top 15 in both Copenhagen and the Olympics.



Martin 1:16 ahead in Copenhagen, 0:42 behind in London.

Cancellara 0:05 behind in Copenhagen, 2:14 behind in London.

Grabsch 0:15 behind in Copenhagen, 2:38 behind in London.

Westra 2:03 behind in Copenhagen, 3:40 behind in London.

Fuglsang 2:15 behind in Copenhagen ,3:55 behind in London.

Castroviejo 2:19 behind in Copenhagen, 2:50 behind in London.

Brajkovic 2:30 behind in Copenhagen, 3:30 behind in London.

Phinney 2:36 behind in Copenhagen, 1:58 behind in London.

I dont know how anyone can spin this as anything other than an enormous improvement for Sir Wiggins.

Taking around 2 minutes on everyone (except for Phinney) in a year, thats insane.

No that is not insane, that is pro cycling. Nothing has changed.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

No that is not insane, that is pro cycling. Nothing has changed.

You are just a hater.

Sky is the new La Vie Claire.

Hater.

 

[Benotti69]

You are just a hater.

Sky is the new La Vie Claire.

Hater.

I loved the La Vie Claire look

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I loved the La Vie Claire look

You should pm or ask webvan, he has a nice comparison for you, he seems to ignore me

La Vie Sky.

Gotta love it.

 

[Benotti69]

Digger is poking fun a Wiggin's amnesia on the twitter machine,

BigTex GoingtoJail ‏@Digger_forum
As someone else pointed out, wiggins mentions gang culture in going after landis. But himself and Millar were the only two i know of.

I love cycling, i hate training, i love training, i hate racing. I love lance, i despise him, i hate the media, i will keep going on TV

I won't race the Tour, I am the tour leader. Doctors with 1percent doubt have no place in cycling. Those doctors have alot to offer.

Wiggins' wife must be a ****ing nervous wreck. **** he told me he loves me yesterday, he must hate me today.

I love though when he said how he wanted to get back to normality, yet he was the ****er hosting radio shows with Paul Weller.

Interesting fact in the clinic charting his improvement in 2012 as regards TT's.

In 2011, he completed long ITTs in 3% fewer seconds than the top 30 on average. In 2012, this gap rose to 4.9%

At 32 that's one hell of a jump for a guy who was meant to be a specialist TT rider from day one

Wiggins' two years ago on Millar riding for GB. Spends ten mins saying how wrong it was. Then said he had no opinion!!!

I know Walsh said he is intelligent and articulate. Well he can't seem to remember what he said

That I raced against lance is a myth. i never raced against him in the tour. But that is him on my book cover from the tour.

DZ was a nobody...but he did win stages in GT's ****tard. And he also told you what went on with USP, as did CVDV.

I am staying with Garmin. And I am also negotiating a deal with Sky.

So you know what, i think his denials mean sweet **** all thank you very much.

Wiggins spoke of landis and credibility, exactly what credibility do you have, when this is your relationship to the truth?

Write his 56th book. And devout his career to media, which he actually hates. But loves.

But look what's the big deal. With the way Brad continuously changes his story, he will probably ****ing retire in three weeks.

I honestly don't care who amongst them leads. I am just surprised Sky have let it get this far. One of them is flying rogue.

Maybe it will be like Visentini and Roche in '87 Giro, riding on opposite sides of the road whilst racing each other.

Yeah that would be awesome. A Tour de France Individual Pursuit.

Keyser Soze has just intimated in police interviews that it will in fact be him leading Sky in July.

 

[JimmyFingers]

To be fair no-one's ever said Wiggins isn't a massive w@nker.

At least I haven't. But being obnoxious isn't a crime, else we'd all be in prison

 

[Froome19]

Let me present, Sir Wiggins against riders that were top 15 in both Copenhagen and the Olympics.



Martin 1:16 ahead in Copenhagen, 0:42 behind in London.

Cancellara 0:05 behind in Copenhagen, 2:14 behind in London.

Grabsch 0:15 behind in Copenhagen, 2:38 behind in London.

Westra 2:03 behind in Copenhagen, 3:40 behind in London.

Fuglsang 2:15 behind in Copenhagen ,3:55 behind in London.

Castroviejo 2:19 behind in Copenhagen, 2:50 behind in London.

Brajkovic 2:30 behind in Copenhagen, 3:30 behind in London.

Phinney 2:36 behind in Copenhagen, 1:58 behind in London.

I dont know how anyone can spin this as anything other than an enormous improvement for Sir Wiggins.

Taking around 2 minutes on everyone (except for Phinney) in a year, thats insane.

Another point is that he was in the form of his life at the Olympics. Whilst the World championships were after his main season goal had been compromised. He had not built up as he would have liked and had crashed out of the Tour just a few months prior.

 

[mattghg]

If this isn't Wiggins saying doping is part of cycling and if you dont like it pi$$ off and watch football



We do what we do???????? = Doping.

Yeah that's all it could possibly mean...

 

[Froome19]

To be fair no-one's ever said Wiggins isn't a massive w@nker.

At least I haven't. But being obnoxious isn't a crime, else we'd all be in prison

This.

Could reduce the post count of this thread rather radically.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

To be fair no-one's ever said Wiggins isn't a massive w@nker.

At least I haven't. But being obnoxious isn't a crime, else we'd all be in prison

I actually like the mtf.

But.

I liked Ricco as well.

Cipo too.

A lot of dopers I like or liked.

I like Froome too.

Does that mean anything?

Nope.

 

[thehog]

I actually like the mtf.

But.

I liked Ricco as well.

Cipo too.

A lot of dopers I like or liked.

I like Froome too.

Does that mean anything?

Nope.

I like the Dawg. He's pure comedy.

I don't mind Wiggins. He's disruptive. I like that.

Pity he's a drug user. It will mess all the results up again.

Pinot in my mind is the best stage racer going around at the moment. Hell of pedal stroke. Looks so good on the bike. Will win the Tour. One day. Not at FDJ though.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

How come Brad doesn't drop Froome like a bag of cement whenever the peloton hits a speed bump? His power to weight ratio is waaaay higher.
Allegedly...

I asked / queried this many months ago. Would like an answer still.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

There is a huge step up in Wiggins' time trial level between 2008 (Olympic year) and 2009 (focusing on the road) in longer time trials, which would support your theory.

There's another very noticeable step up between 2011 and 2012, though, where he went from consistently in the top 10 and often top 5, to 1st in every long TT he entered, often by quite some way, and 2nd in every prologue but one.

All preempted with the legendary,

If I go well in TTs this year it's coz we worked on the cadence and something about the gears and rolling further for the same power.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Another point is that he was in the form of his life at the Olympics. Whilst the World championships were after his main season goal had been compromised. He had not built up as he would have liked and had crashed out of the Tour just a few months prior.

Maybe you havent been following cycling for too long but there is quite a golden rule for the WC: ride tha frigging Vuelta.

Ask anyone.

Phil knows.

Everybody knows.

Not dissing, just facts.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Just on Wiggins (lack of) TT pedigree, when he set the British 10 mile record in 2006 while riding for Cofidis, just under 18 minutes (33.4mph av), would that be considered as showing some TT potential?

Not without comparison to other world-class TTers at the same event, no.

What did Hutchy do there? and given it's ~20 minutes, why isn't Hutchy racing pro?

 

[kingjr]

Maybe you havent been following cycling for too long but there is quite a golden rule for the WC: ride tha frigging Vuelta.

Ask anyone.

Phil knows.

Everybody knows.

Not dissing, just facts.

Just out of interest

who came up first with that posting-style

you or The Hog?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Just out of interest

who came up first with that posting-style

you or The Hog?

Captain Tbag: http://veloclinic.tumblr.com/post/49201103580/does-plasma-volume-expansion-have-any-expected-impact

 

[BroDeal]

According to his book the reason he made that jump was by watching a lot of Tony Martin footage and figuring out how Martin out a minute on him at the worlds.

So much for that legendary Brit attention to detail. It usually works wonders but totally failed in this case. The years of spending an untold number of British lottery pounds, the honing of Wiggins' TT skills, the development of special equipment, high tech fabrics, wind tunnels, analysis of position versus power, sports phsychology, mood lights, it was all for nought. It was not until Wiggins was tossing a few back at the local pub and caught Martin on the telly that he finally figured out what was holding him back. You just have to ride at 480 Watts. Brilliant! I wish I would have thought of that.

This is just below the believabilty of Landis' homemade altitude chamber.

 

[MatParker117]

To be fair no-one's ever said Wiggins isn't a massive w@nker.

At least I haven't. But being obnoxious isn't a crime, else we'd all be in prison

His wife included