Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[Zam_Olyas]

Michelle Cound ‏@michellecound 19s
Have come to the conclusion that @DavidWalshST is clueless… #smokinghissocks


lol

 

[the asian]

Yeah, a lot of weird stuff happening this Giro. Could be just a weird result in a single stage, but it'll be interesting to discuss.

What, Santa was a dark horse coming in to the race. He was even expected to win today's stage. How can you be surprised when comes in 4th?

 

[andy1234]

You do that. I know the template of a doper.

Lets circle back in week 3 to compare notes.

I'm not sure which notes we are going to refer back to though.

Is it the Wiggins will crush everyone, he is being trained by Ferrari notes,or is it the Wiggins has dialled back the doping notes, or is it the Wiggins has turned into a poor responder, notes?

I just can't keep up.

I'm sure you will have every eventuality covered though.

 

[the asian]

Michelle Cound ‏@michellecound 19s
Have come to the conclusion that @DavidWalshST is clueless… #smokinghissocks


lol

Is She Froome's missus?

Quite frank indeed !

 

[thehog]

Michelle Cound ‏@michellecound 19s
Have come to the conclusion that @DavidWalshST is clueless… #smokinghissocks


lol

Classic. Shes not wrong.

What does "smoking his socks" mean?

 

[MartinGT]

I feel sorry for him.

Last year he was unstoppable.

Pat won't be taking risks at the moment so Wiggo has to rely a regular program.

I think Wiggins will explode soon. Start name calling his rivals as dopers. Just you wait. Either that or he'll pull out.

Wigan isnt stable mentally and I think this will happen sooner rather than later.

I can see him pulling out of the Giro if he loses more time and then trying to barge in on the Tour team. When he is told he isnt leader *boooooom* mud slinging and the secrets are out.

 

[The Hitch]

Looks like Wiggins will continue his streak of having never won a stage race without the help of Leinders.

lol, post of the year

 

[mattghg]

Michelle Cound ‏@michellecound 19s
Have come to the conclusion that @DavidWalshST is clueless… #smokinghissocks


lol

10 chars

 

[thehog]

Trouble!

Wiggins descended quickly from the finish area to the Team Sky bus. He opted not to warm down on the rollers but after taking time to recover from his efforts, he emerged from the Team Sky bus to talk to a select group of media, including Cyclingnews.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/video-wiggins-pleased-with-his-performance-despite-losing-time

 

[burning]

Michelle Cound ‏@michellecound 19s
Have come to the conclusion that @DavidWalshST is clueless… #smokinghissocks


lol

Props to her indeed

 

[Zam_Olyas]

In norwaegian Har du røyka sokka dine? means have you smoke your socks? which means are you crazy. So i think she is saying he is crazy. I don't know...has anyone ever smoke their socks?

 

[BroDeal]

It seems like Wiggo's mentally fragile. A little adversity plus some crashing and he's apparently off his game. All the power in the world won't fix that.

Don't worry. When one robot malfunctions, Sky replace it with another.

Uran for the overall.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Don't worry. When one robot malfunctions, Sky replace it with another.

Uran for the overall.

I am not so sure on his GT pedigree - has he even ridden on the track?

 

[BroDeal]

I am not so sure on his GT pedigree - has he even ridden on the track?

We should check to see if he never finished in the top 100 of a GT. That is the mark of a dominating GT rider in the making.

 

[The Hitch]

We should check to see if he never finished in the top 100 of a GT. That the mark of a dominating GT rider in the making.

Not really, wiggins never did it.

The I remember from the most recent troll wars was being able to follow Menchoff for 2 minutes on a climb.

 

[enCYCLOpedia]

Sadly Walsh has lost it. Seems to get too personally involved and allows this to bias his opinions.

Entirely predictable, that's what happens with "embedded journalism". Best example for cycling is "Höllentour" (Hell on Wheels) - a so-called documentary made about the Team Telekom during the 2004 Tour. Fantastic entertainment, but also fantastically naive about doping.

 

[BroDeal]

Not really, wiggins never did it.

Precisely.
....

 

[Benotti69]

Don't worry. When one robot malfunctions, Sky replace it with another.

Uran for the overall.

"Routine retirement of a replicant."

Sky "More clean than clean" is their motto.

 

[IndianCyclist]

Trouble!

Wiggins descended quickly from the finish area to the Team Sky bus. He opted not to warm down on the rollers but after taking time to recover from his efforts, he emerged from the Team Sky bus to talk to a select group of media, including Cyclingnews.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/video-wiggins-pleased-with-his-performance-despite-losing-time

Surprised. I thought he didn't know how to descend.

 

[Merckx index]

Michelle Cound ‏@michellecound 19s
Have come to the conclusion that @DavidWalshST is clueless… #smokinghissocks

Michelle Cound is one person who can never say, I don't have a dog in this fight.

You ain’t nothing but a Cound dog
Crying all the time
You ain’t nothing but a Cound dog
Crying all the time
Well, you ain’t never caught a rabbit
And you ain’t no friend of mine

Well, Chris said you was high classed
But that was just a lie
Well, Chris said you was high classed
But that was just a lie
You ain’t never caught a rabbit
And you ain’t no friend of mine

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Can we talk about Santambrogio here?

I agree we need to talk about this outlier. His palmares in GTs and his results just don't add up!

 

[blackcat]

we wanna be perceived to be clean

we transcend the perception as clean


I perceive them as wishing to be perceived to be clean ~ The Clinic 12

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Guilt by association? You'd only get condemned for that in a fascist state! There is no evidence that he associated with GL for two years. GL was employed on a freelance basis and is said to have only worked for 80 days (I think). So cut that 2 years down to 80 days. Which days? Where was Wiggins? In his bedroom? The brief thesis advanced by Bexon is very weak!

80 days was what his contract was for per year. He worked 67 days in 2011, and 44 of his allotted days in 2012 before he was placed under investigation in July.

My source? David Walsh.

Here's an interesting section.

Peters understood track racing and its world but on that October day in 2010, he knew little aboutprofessional road cycling. He didn’t know about Rabobank, the cycling team Leinders had been withfrom 1996 to 2009, and didn’t ask Leinders what he knew about the team’s Michael Rasmussen being withdrawn while leading the Tour de France on suspicion of doping. Neither did he ask what breachof “internal rules” had led to Thomas Dekker being kicked off the team.“I could have grilled him and grilled him but when someone assures you that he has not beeninvolved in doping, that doesn’t seem appropriate,” says Peters. After Peters’ interview, Leinders was then interviewed by Freeman, who quizzed him on his medicalskills and was impressed. Peters and Freeman recommended Leinders be hired and Brailsford offereda contract that meant he could be asked to work for up to 80 days in 2011. He worked 67 days forTeam Sky that year and was liked by the riders for his ability and admired by the management for hisprofessionalism.Peters insists he was scrupulously ethical in his time with Sky. “We agreed as a team that if a rider,suffering from asthma, got into trouble with pollen we would pull him out of the race rather thanapply for a therapeutic use exemption on his behalf. Once, one of our riders was in this situation andthe doctor got in touch with me and asked if we could get an exemption because the guy was in a bad way but was very keen to finish the race.“Using my discretion, I said ‘OK’. It was Geert who rang me afterwards to tell me I was wrong.‘We’ve got to have consistency,’ he said.” Leinders had worked 44 of his 80-day contract in 2012 whenTheo de Rooy, former directeur sportif at Rabobank, did an interview with journalist Mark Miserusfor the Dutch newspaper de Volksrant. De Rooy said there had been a doping programme atRabobank and that Leinders had been part of it.Brailsford asked for an explanation and Leinders claimed de Rooy’s words had been misinterpretedand insisted he, Leinders, had not been part of any doping programme. Sky’s boss judged that to keephim on while this allegation was being investigated would damage the reputation of the team.Leinders’ contract was paid up for 2012 and he was told the team would not use him again.

So actually, Leinders worked for 111 days for Team Sky over a period of 22 months. And do you remember that when Cyclingnews asked Brailsford about how the investigation into Leinders' past was going at the World Championships - that's two and a half months after the Tour de France - Brailsford ran away? So this hardly fits with the below:

And once he had been exposed to Sky they got rid of him. Sadly it seems that he didn't reveal his dubious history when recruited ........ People mislead others quite often when they want a job! So I see nothing at all sinister in this, unless off course, you are trying to scratch around and make a case .....

Naturally he misled, but it does therefore make the case that something is amiss here, because attention to detail is one of Dave Brailsford's mantras, and when recruiting a doctor for a Pro Cycling team that's been in the pro péloton for a year, you'd think having somebody present at the interview who had heard of one of the biggest road cycling teams in the world might have been a prerequisite, just from the common sense point of view: if you want somebody who's good at fulfilling a role based on road cycling based on his 20 years of experience in the sport, you wouldn't leave the interview process to a guy whose knowledge of pro cycling didn't extend to knowing who Rabobank were. That ain't good attention to detail, folks. Brailsford himself admitted recruitment vetting wasn't rigorous enough - which might explain how guys like Mick Rogers got in.

It then makes attention to detail completely redundant as a mantra, as it's evident that it is not exercised.

he didn't live up to his hype
so he got sidelined and was only used for 40 days in the end

See above.

I'm DYING to speak of Santambrogio, Evans's former trusty domestique for those times when he couldn't make it with the top 40 guys on a climb, but there's no thread for him. We need a general Giro thread or something.

Taken off the road by BMC in 2010, too, part of the reason Evans' team at that Giro was so embarrassingly weak.

Looks like Wiggins will continue his streak of having never won a stage race without the help of Leinders.

2009 Jayco Herald Sun Tour. Sure, it was decided almost entirely by the time trial, and Garmin were by far the strongest team in the race, but as far as I can tell Geert Leinders didn't work for Garmin-Slipstream.

 

[webbie146]

We should check to see if he never finished in the top 100 of a GT. That is the mark of a dominating GT rider in the making.

Lol I love it haha

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Some restday refills worked better than others it seems. Really, Zandio, on a mountainstage? Uran?

I bet the saint was overgeared? Almost dead Cataldo of last week is now shining bright again?