nslckevin said:
And yet none of that is proof of anything. If you were a lawyer would you take that to court to prosecute a case?
Well, this is a cycling forum and the burden of proof is not required. Total strawman in cycling since Armstrong was busted on eye witness testimony.
nslckevin said:
You never took logic in college did you?
Logic dictates that if the peloton cleaned up there would be a moment we could all point to and say that was the moment!
nslckevin said:
If she floats, she's a witch and we'll BURN HER! If she drowns, then she wasn't a witch.
Missplaced analogy.
Sky walk like ducks, look like ducks and talk like ducks............
nslckevin said:
You miss my point in your fervor.
No fervor here, that you misinterpret it shows how far removed you are from the reality of the sport or blinded by nationalism, fanboyism, take your pick.
nslckevin said:
My point is that I have no idea if any of them are doping now. I may have concerns, but I know NOTHING for a fact. I choose to admit my lack of knowledge and not make statements asserting a riders guilt or innocence.
This argument gets made all the time in this thread by Sky fans. The answers is very simple. If Sky won 2 TdFs in a row clean, it would mean that anti doping works and riders were not taking risks and were not doping. Can you show what, where and when the peloton decided to clean up, that 'clean' Sky could now win.
nslckevin said:
You take your lack of certain knowledge and make a bunch of hand waving arguments to "prove" your contention that they are all on dope. You might very well be right, but that would only be luck as your arguments are empty.
My arguments are backed up by the peloton. They have a culture to dope, it is part of the fabric. Look at any time a rider tests positive, how the peloton reacts with near and total silence. They have no problem with riders doping if the riders keep quiet.
Your arguments are the same ones made by Armstrong fans. No evidence, no way anyone would dope after Festina scandal, yada yada yada......
My logical reasoning is that if the peloton as a collective made the decision to race clean, then they would be a hell of a lot more vocal in their condemnation of doping. They aren't. The sport is full of ex dopers, doping doctors, doping DS, enablers, soigneurs dealing.........
Sorry I am not buying that the sport got clean without some 'proof'