Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[The Hitch]

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Tbf, the most read article on the BBC in the last 24 hrs is: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37456623

Wiggins is getting a lot more attention from British media than would have been expected considering that he's not actually tested positive/stripped of any of his results etc

I made this point during the tour and was dismissed out of hand - there's plenty of incentive for the BBC in particular to dig deeper into this and they've shown the inclination to do so, asking uncomfortable questions now. Their headlines are openly scpetical.

Disappointed with Wiggins obviously. A lot of my friends are dismissing it and I've had to say that even though I thought he was less likely. it appears he was at best abusing the TUE rules to gain a competitive advantage.

Less likely than what? The sky being pink? Elephants flying?

Post transformation Wiggins was the most obvious doper in cycling history. Guy who devotes 2 years to performing in the tour de France can't crack the top 100 even in individual stages, then becomes friends with all the dopers (including the ones he criticised) and suddenly outperforms most of them in one of the dirtiest tours in history. Loses unrealistic amounts of weight the exact moment aicar comes out. Has the second most dominant season since merckx in 2012.

You thought he was less likely to be a doper?
Don't Mean to be rude but maybe you should reexamine the way you look at these things in the future

 

[veganrob]

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If Sky/Wiggins were lying about TUEs and needle injections, it aint a giant leap of faith to think he was taking other PEDs to enhance his performance.

I once lied about not going to school. I probably also lied when I said I didn't kill my neighbor. I really love your sense of logic,<edited by mods>

By Brailsford reasoning, you might be a prime supect. Cheat on Monday.....

 

[Franklin]

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If Sky/Wiggins were lying about TUEs and needle injections, it aint a giant leap of faith to think he was taking other PEDs to enhance his performance.

I once lied about not going to school. I probably also lied when I said I didn't kill my neighbor. I really love your sense of logic,<edited by mods>

That's actually what Dave Brailsford himself claimed about liars dear Ryo. Care to comment on that?

 

[Benotti69]

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If Sky/Wiggins were lying about TUEs and needle injections, it aint a giant leap of faith to think he was taking other PEDs to enhance his performance.

I once lied about not going to school. I probably also lied when I said I didn't kill my neighbor. I really love your sense of logic,<edited by mods>

That's actually what Dave Brailsford himself claimed about liars dear Ryo. Care to comment on that?

Ryo got a month's holiday.

 

[Benotti69]

Walsh tweeting the blame...

David Walsh ‏@DavidWalshST 1h ago

In terms of assigning blame for those three corticosteroid injections, I believe BW, Team Sky and UCI are equally at fault.

Bet that has made Brailsford blood pressure rise.

 

[Benotti69]

when you tell so many lies, it is hard to keep the web untangled...

Ross Tucker @Scienceofsport

So we are now meant to believe that the most advanced, managed team didn't know what its marquee rider was doing in his most crucial year

Of course that may be true, but then it invalidates all those empty assurances of being clean. As for "transparency", that's just a lie

Sky will be soon making a blackbook and only talking to a few select fans with laptops who are onside. Again another play from the USPS book of how to win the TdF.

 

[veganrob]

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when you tell so many lies, it is hard to keep the web untangled...

Ross Tucker @Scienceofsport

So we are now meant to believe that the most advanced, managed team didn't know what its marquee rider was doing in his most crucial year

Of course that may be true, but then it invalidates all those empty assurances of being clean. As for "transparency", that's just a lie

Sky will be soon making a blackbook and only talking to a few select fans with laptops who are onside. Again another play from the USPS book of how to win the TdF.

All that attention to the smallest detail by Team Sky yet they don't even know what their golden boy is doing. What a joke.

 

[Benotti69]

Sky's doctor, Richard Freeman applies for the TUEs and then signs off for UKADA.

Go figure.

 

[Benotti69]

worth reposting this gem

.. won't join the MPCC as we are going to police ourselves with even higher standards, don't want to be associated with teams of lesser values..

:lol:

 

[Benotti69]

Dr Conor McGrane explaining how the lie that only Wiggins and his doctor knew about TUE is BS

Conor McGrane ‏@ConorTMcGrane 2 hours ago

Every management member of staff who accompanied BW into AD controls post June 2011 knew, every single one.

Every time a rider gets dope tested aTUE is declared, a management member of staff accompanies rider every time

Thus every single management staffer from Sky who went into AD with BW post June 2011 knew about the TUE's

simples.

 

[Franklin]

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All that attention to the smallest detail by Team Sky yet they don't even know what their golden boy is doing. What a joke.

They also had no idea that Leinders was the Teamdoctor or Rasmussen or was named as complicit (together with De Rooij and Breukink)in the Civil Case case around Michael Rasmussen.

oh well.... It's so hard to remember all these little things as that incident about Rabo and Rasmussen. You can't blame the recruitors not to look into his sting as team doctor and part of the management team where one of the most embarrassing doping scandals ever happened. It's not as if Sky had a sworn policy of not hiring people with a doping background

Really... the list of lies of Dave Brailsford about his teams anti-doping stance is hilarious.

No Personel with a doping background? Check.
Certainly no Doctor with a doping background? Check
No Needle policy? Check
No Tue's? Check

 

[Cycles Goff]

Hello, long time lurker but finally curious enough to post. So, Sky arranged a TUE for a Kenalog injection for Wiggins three years running due to debilitating allergies yet Mikel Landa (forgive me if I'm wrong here) pulled out of this year's Giro as Sky team leader suffering from allergies. Why no injection for Landa?

 

[fmk_RoI]

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Hello, long time lurker but finally curious enough to post. So, Sky arranged a TUE for a Kenalog injection for Wiggins three years running due to debilitating allergies yet Mikel Landa (forgive me if I'm wrong here) pulled out of this year's Giro as Sky team leader suffering from allergies. Why no injection for Landa?

Saddle sore.

 

[MatParker117]

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Hello, long time lurker but finally curious enough to post. So, Sky arranged a TUE for a Kenalog injection for Wiggins three years running due to debilitating allergies yet Mikel Landa (forgive me if I'm wrong here) pulled out of this year's Giro as Sky team leader suffering from allergies. Why no injection for Landa?

He had stomach flu.

 

[Benotti69]

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Hello, long time lurker but finally curious enough to post. So, Sky arranged a TUE for a Kenalog injection for Wiggins three years running due to debilitating allergies yet Mikel Landa (forgive me if I'm wrong here) pulled out of this year's Giro as Sky team leader suffering from allergies. Why no injection for Landa?

He had stomach flu.

The PDM variety?

 

[MatParker117]

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Hello, long time lurker but finally curious enough to post. So, Sky arranged a TUE for a Kenalog injection for Wiggins three years running due to debilitating allergies yet Mikel Landa (forgive me if I'm wrong here) pulled out of this year's Giro as Sky team leader suffering from allergies. Why no injection for Landa?

He had stomach flu.

The PDM variety?

No, the he had some bad barbecue on the rest day and then shared a plane with Canc variety.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Hello, long time lurker but finally curious enough to post. So, Sky arranged a TUE for a Kenalog injection for Wiggins three years running due to debilitating allergies yet Mikel Landa (forgive me if I'm wrong here) pulled out of this year's Giro as Sky team leader suffering from allergies. Why no injection for Landa?

Saddle sore.

Saddle sore sounds like a perfect time to inject some kenalog

But Landa had gastric problems I believe

 

[B_Ugli]

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Hello, long time lurker but finally curious enough to post. So, Sky arranged a TUE for a Kenalog injection for Wiggins three years running due to debilitating allergies yet Mikel Landa (forgive me if I'm wrong here) pulled out of this year's Giro as Sky team leader suffering from allergies. Why no injection for Landa?

Also Brailsfords attack of conscience about Astana in Tenerife (as described by Walsh) didn't stop him hiring one of their riders (Landa) in 2016 after his meteoric rise to fame in the 2015 Giro.

Yep Astana is a dirty team but who is dirtier at this moment in time??

Seems to me that some of the so called dirty teams are seeming a lot cleaner and transparent than Brailsford (aka Dave Contradict myself).

It's DB's contradictions that will bring him down......eventually.

 

[Benotti69]

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Hello, long time lurker but finally curious enough to post. So, Sky arranged a TUE for a Kenalog injection for Wiggins three years running due to debilitating allergies yet Mikel Landa (forgive me if I'm wrong here) pulled out of this year's Giro as Sky team leader suffering from allergies. Why no injection for Landa?

He had stomach flu.

The PDM variety?

No, the he had some bad barbecue on the rest day and then shared a plane with Canc variety.

That can't be right. TeamSky doing a BBQ on rest day. Not very marginal gain is it!

Next you'll be telling us they eat nutella!!!!

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

marginal gains = asthma needles

ok

 

[TheSpud]

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Hello, long time lurker but finally curious enough to post. So, Sky arranged a TUE for a Kenalog injection for Wiggins three years running due to debilitating allergies yet Mikel Landa (forgive me if I'm wrong here) pulled out of this year's Giro as Sky team leader suffering from allergies. Why no injection for Landa?

Saddle sore.

Saddle sore sounds like a perfect time to inject some kenalog

But Landa had gastric problems I believe

So you're happy to accept 'gastric problems' (or 'stomach flu' as it has been described) for Landa but not hayfever / asthma for Wiggins?

 

[BeyondStrong]

Re: Sky

Might not be cheating but Dumoulin strikes the right tone - Sky's TUE use stinks.

 

[BeyondStrong]

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All that attention to the smallest detail by Team Sky yet they don't even know what their golden boy is doing. What a joke.

They also had no idea that Leinders was the Teamdoctor or Rasmussen or was named as complicit (together with De Rooij and Breukink)in the Civil Case case around Michael Rasmussen.

oh well.... It's so hard to remember all these little things as that incident about Rabo and Rasmussen. You can't blame the recruitors not to look into his sting as team doctor and part of the management team where one of the most embarrassing doping scandals ever happened. It's not as if Sky had a sworn policy of not hiring people with a doping background

Really... the list of lies of Dave Brailsford about his teams anti-doping stance is hilarious.

No Personel with a doping background? Check.
Certainly no Doctor with a doping background? Check
No Needle policy? Check
No Tue's? Check

Remember Brailsford's reaction after Big Tex's admission on Oprah? He was "Shocked".

The man speaks garbage. He's a politician.

 

[sniper]

Supposeddly didn't know about dejongh and Knaven either. Ffs, there are photos of dejongh in handcuffs from 1998. It was well known that the French policenl tested him, Knaven and blijlevens positive for a variety of substances.

 

[TheSpud]

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If Sky/Wiggins were lying about TUEs and needle injections, it aint a giant leap of faith to think he was taking other PEDs to enhance his performance.

If, as you say / suspect,they have been doing EPO and AICAR, why would they need low level cortisone?? Why bother? I thought (based on the the comments from the intelligentsia here) that AICAR was THE drug to take and that clearly Wiggo was on it. If so, why Triam?? IT doesn't add up ...