Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[lemoogle]

This is so bad. The only people that can snatch stage wins from the jaws of sky come from the team that was just accused of doping...

Rolland is a great climber not doing that great on the GC so clearly he's going to go for a stage win, to be honest if they were going to dope him (or at least dope as blatantly as sky ) they'd make sure he doesn't lose 10 minutes each TT. Same for Voeckler, one of the most attacking cyclists on the tour, if sky waits too long to attack then we cant be surprised that europcar wins a few.

 

[noddy69]

Q is what do sky do now. 1-2 in general clasification and anything can happen, so do they split the team within the peleton on the flatter days to protect interests in the race.

 

[tsophoto]

Major props for Tejay, he's better than Evans for sure

clinic maybe?

Eh, not quite. He got dropped yesterday. Just better than Evans today.

 

[tsophoto]

Froome gaping Wiggo at the end.

How about Froome gapping everyone at 4k to go when the phone rings, 'back off, don't attack that hard!'

 

[Cancellator]

Rolland is a great climber not doing that great on the GC so clearly he's going to go for a stage win, to be honest if they were going to dope him (or at least dope as blatantly as sky ) they'd make sure he doesn't lose 10 minutes each TT. Same for Voeckler, one of the most attacking cyclists on the tour, if sky waits too long to attack then we cant be surprised that europcar wins a few.

I actually like the Europcar guys - I was cheering for Voeckler yesterday. I'm just saying how it looks from an outside perspective. I mean, what Sky are doing is getting ridiculous.

 

[Bonkstrong]

Clinic > Sky are scum, Sky are dirty, Sky are the new cancer, Sky are manipulating their genes to win the tour, Sky are on the worlds most advanced doping programme of all time

"Sky train blows"

Clinic > it's all an act, they're faking it, it's a cover-up


I came here to balance my opinion and educate myself from a bunch who, up until now, have had some very intelligent and well researched views on doping from the Armstrong era and before. But gone has the rationality, the intelligence, the careful research - we still have some valued posters left but the majority of the posts are totally void of substance. It's worse than a Scientology forum - it's a shame, a real shame.

 

[Stingray34]

Clinic > Sky are scum, Sky are dirty, Sky are the new cancer, Sky are manipulating their genes to win the tour, Sky are on the worlds most advanced doping programme of all time

"Sky train blows"

Clinic > it's all an act, they're faking it, it's a cover-up


I came here to balance my opinion and educate myself from a bunch who, up until now, have had some very intelligent and well researched views on doping from the Armstrong era and before. But gone has the rationality, the intelligence, the careful research - we still have some valued posters left but the majority of the posts are totally void of substance. It's worse than a Scientology forum - it's a shame, a real shame.

Don't knock operating Thetan level 7 until you try it...

 

[Dr.Sahl]

Bah.. I don't think I can endure another US Postal like era nor tour.... This Froome tends to forget he needs to look tired..... why are SKY not riding for him, he is obvious superman after he so called (parasite loss)

I guess the other teams should just buy each of the Sky riders and use them for GC...

 

[mastersracer]

Clinic > Sky are scum, Sky are dirty, Sky are the new cancer, Sky are manipulating their genes to win the tour, Sky are on the worlds most advanced doping programme of all time

"Sky train blows"

Clinic > it's all an act, they're faking it, it's a cover-up


I came here to balance my opinion and educate myself from a bunch who, up until now, have had some very intelligent and well researched views on doping from the Armstrong era and before. But gone has the rationality, the intelligence, the careful research - we still have some valued posters left but the majority of the posts are totally void of substance. It's worse than a Scientology forum - it's a shame, a real shame.

+1. The climbing times don't look spectacular - will have to see how the values look for today's stage, but the mere fact of a team dominating is not evidence in itself of doping. If anything, this Tour looks more like a pre-EPO Tour - and when was the last time a bunch of French teams won so many stages?

 

[UlleGigo]

How about Froome gapping everyone at 4k to go when the phone rings, 'back off, don't attack that hard!'

Yeah well that too.

 

[The Joker]

How about Froome gapping everyone at 4k to go when the phone rings, 'back off, don't attack that hard!'

I think what they actually told him was: "Chris, Twitter & the Clinic just went nuts - back it off, BACK IT OFF!!!!"

 

[Dr.Sahl]

Clinic > Sky are scum, Sky are dirty, Sky are the new cancer, Sky are manipulating their genes to win the tour, Sky are on the worlds most advanced doping programme of all time

"Sky train blows"

Clinic > it's all an act, they're faking it, it's a cover-up


I came here to balance my opinion and educate myself from a bunch who, up until now, have had some very intelligent and well researched views on doping from the Armstrong era and before. But gone has the rationality, the intelligence, the careful research - we still have some valued posters left but the majority of the posts are totally void of substance. It's worse than a Scientology forum - it's a shame, a real shame.

They didnt totaly fold and if you look at Froome... well.......

 

[Stingray34]

"Arise Sir Bradley Wiggins, the mod-knight of the realm..."

"This is well good, Lizzie, you ol slapper..."

 

[thehog]

They didnt totaly fold and if you look at Froome... well.......

Fold? Rogers rode for 50km on the front on his own!

 

[Dalakhani]

I wonder if Froome did that just to show the world he can?

Of course, that begs the question who someone who Sky didn't particular rate 10 months ago (at age 26) can now be the best GC rider in the world.

Maybe Brailsford is just a mug and can't spot a good rider?

 

[noddy69]

Clinic > Sky are scum, Sky are dirty, Sky are the new cancer, Sky are manipulating their genes to win the tour, Sky are on the worlds most advanced doping programme of all time

"Sky train blows"

Clinic > it's all an act, they're faking it, it's a cover-up


I came here to balance my opinion and educate myself from a bunch who, up until now, have had some very intelligent and well researched views on doping from the Armstrong era and before. But gone has the rationality, the intelligence, the careful research - we still have some valued posters left but the majority of the posts are totally void of substance. It's worse than a Scientology forum - it's a shame, a real shame.

On crying wolf you have a point. However what they are doing is akin to us postal, in fact probably superior to it, and it looks like a 1-2 in the tour for sky.
Everybody is suspicious at this point as its so extraordinary. Hopefully they are clean but when things like this have happened before, gewiss taking the podium 1-2-3 or the sham that was postal it has turned out to be doping.

 

[Cancellator]

We should not look at the climbing times - they are probably not using EPO, why compare them with EPO-fueled times?. However, Sky look like they are using something extra, and this is what I'm talking about here.

 

[GoneWithTailWind]

Tomolaris: "This reminds me of 1996 when Bjarne Riis was being upstaged by an up and coming young rider by the name of Jan Ulrich"
Does he have any idea what he is saying.
That said, I have to agree with him!

 

[taiwan]

+1. The climbing times don't look spectacular - will have to see how the values look for today's stage, but the mere fact of a team dominating is not evidence in itself of doping. If anything, this Tour looks more like a pre-EPO Tour - and when was the last time a bunch of French teams won so many stages?

2010. chars

 

[lemoogle]

+1. The climbing times don't look spectacular - will have to see how the values look for today's stage, but the mere fact of a team dominating is not evidence in itself of doping. If anything, this Tour looks more like a pre-EPO Tour - and when was the last time a bunch of French teams won so many stages?

You must be kidding, outsiders and french teams winning stages this year is due to the peloton being controlled by sky and none of the other bigger teams being able to do much of anything without being devoured by froomey, rogers or porte. Sky could get those stage wins if they really cared about the breakaways.
What are those french teams that have no GC leader supposed to do ? Sit around in the peloton and admire the wiggos' sideburns?

 

[Bonkstrong]

Don't knock operating Thetan level 7 until you try it...

A quick google of "Thetan level 7" made me

then I


then just



"A Body Thetan is an alien thetan who is "stuck" in, on or near a human body, and all human bodies are said to be covered in these misplaced thetans, or clusters of them. This information is not divulged until a Scientologist reaches the third Operating Thetan level (or OT III). Most Body Thetans were said by Hubbard to be a result of a prehistoric "Incident" involving Xenu, as well as other similar alien occurrences on the whole track."

Although a body Thetan could explain Froomes current current overall performance...

 

[tsophoto]

I wonder if Froome did that just to show the world he can?

Of course, that begs the question who someone who Sky didn't particular rate 10 months ago (at age 26) can now be the best GC rider in the world.

Maybe Brailsford is just a mug and can't spot a good rider?

Just before that you can see him talking to Wiggins. Presumably he was given the green light. Then quickly shut down when they saw how badly he'd blown things up.

 

[UlleGigo]

Fold? Rogers rode for 50km on the front on his own!

No no no. This is a 'pre-EPO' tour. You know when everyone was on good ol' fashion go pills. The scientist says so.

 

[hiero2]

What we learnt today:

* Cadel is yesterday's man, and Menchov is so last week
* Wiggins to be a single Tour winner
* Nibali and Wiggins like each other again
* Froome, Van Garderen and Pinot as future contenders
* Rolland....?

+1
Imo, Cadel has always been a #2. Kinda like Ryder. Menchov has been left behind so many times. When the peloton was reasonabley clean, and the cards fell the right way - they can do it. Great riders, strong guys - just not normally top of the podium. Wiggo has a little more of that strength level, and I can see him improving his performance on the road by putting things in line in training, one step at a time. What causes the questions in my mind is the strength of the whole Sky team.

Froome, TJ, "Turbo" Pinot, Rolland - defo future, and looking good. DeGendt maybe there, also. Taylor Phinney. We are seeing a new generation, and at this point, I look forward to their arrival. I will be glad to watch them.

 

[Dalakhani]

On Eurosport, Harmon said of EBH, "He must have had 3 shredded wheat for breakfast".

Yes, David, that's the best explanation of how EBH can lead the peleton up an HC single-handedly, whilst keeping the gap to 2 mins. (Until the leaders sprinted for points.)