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[hrotha]

Are we now allowed to say that Wiggins has, in fact, improved his time-trialing skills? While somehow also improving his climbing? At 29-32?

 

[roundabout]

Are we now allowed to say that Wiggins has, in fact, improved his time-trialing skills? While somehow also improving his climbing? At 29-32?

no, because

Don't forget the rest of the field was out of shape, everyone mispeaked for the Olympics (and the Tour as well of course).

 

[mastersracer]

Pat McQuaid just smiled - more evidence of complicit UCI?

 

[oldcrank]

A decade of intense pursuit/team pursuit training
in a time trial position should have nothing at all
to do with Wiggo's results...if he had followed
a regiment of slow, hilly seven hour rides on
the road bike a dominant time trial result
would have been more believable.

 

[BullsFan22]

42 seconds ahead of Martin, 1:58 ahead of Phinney, both super good time trialists. Oh, and I also believe in Santa Claus.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Froome to test positive as soon as he switches teams.

 

[Caruut]

Pat McQuaid just smiled - more evidence of complicit UCI?

It's quite ironic the way that there's a little cabal of you guys constantly convinced that the Clinic is a hotbed of conspiracy theories.

 

[BullsFan22]

Pat McQuaid just smiled - more evidence of complicit UCI?

Pat McQuack sees this as a great victory for cycling....

 

[Lanark]

Are we now allowed to say that Wiggins has, in fact, improved his time-trialing skills? While somehow also improving his climbing? At 29-32?

Never won an important time trial in the first 10 years of his carreer, never lost one in his 11th season.

 

[Benotti69]

Pat McQuack sees this as a great victory for cycling....

Pat McQuaid sees this as a victory for clean cycling

 

[Lanark]

Cumulative CQ-points in his first 10 pro seasons: 3246
CQ-points in 2012: 2687...and counting

 

[hrotha]

Never won an important time trial in the first 10 years of his carreer, never lost one in his 11th season.

Yep. This is one of the two most amazing and unbelievable transformations I've ever seen in cycling. I'm even tempted to rank it as no. 1, but I need to cool down a bit first.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

It's quite ironic the way that there's a little cabal of you guys constantly convinced that the Clinic is a hotbed of conspiracy theories.

+ three

.........

 

[michel700c]

I think Vuelta and Tour TTs (certainly in case of the 2007 Tour TT) were wind assisted.

Wind today?

At one point you could see from the helicopter camera the leaves in the trees rustling and the roadside flags pointing towards Wiggins backside. A little hometown push?

 

[Bumeington]

Wiggins did around 52kmh?

Where does that sit relative to other >50min flat TTs?

Copenhagen - Martin - 51.67kmh
Vuelta 2010 - Velits - 52.36kmh
Tour 2007 - Leipheimer - 53.08kmh

This is a pointless comparison - why? Because the 25 mile time trial record in England is 45:52 (average speed ~52.6 km/h) and it was set by today's 27th place finisher David McCann.

Still an amazing physiological performance but if you want ammo start with the 42 seconds on Tony Martin

 

[Ferminal]

This is a pointless comparison - why? Because the 25 mile time trial record in England is 45:52 (average speed ~52.6 km/h) and it was set by today's 27th place finisher David McCann.

Still an amazing physiological performance but if you want ammo start with the 42 seconds on Tony Martin

I'm not comparing, just interested to see who has gone quicker. If you want to compare you need to look at wind/# of corners/gradient.

 

[Montanus]

Wiggins performance today is comparable to Martin's in Copenhagen last year.

2012 Olympic ITT - 44k
1 Wiggins 50:39:34 (52.0 kph)
2 Martin +42.00
3 Froome +1:08.33
4 Phinney +1:58.53
5 Pinotti +2:09.74
10 Brajkovic +3:30.18
15 Fuglsang +3:54.59
20 Menchov +4:19.72

2011 WC ITT - 46.4k
1 Tony Martin 0:53:43.85 (51.8 kph)
2 Bradley Wiggins +1:15.83
3 Fabian Cancellara +1:20.59
4 Bert Grabsch +1:31.76
5 Jack Bobridge +2:13.86
10 Jakob Fuglsang +3:30.59
15 Taylor Phinney +3:52.58
20 Stef Clement +4:33.93

Wiggins and Phinney are two of the riders who have improved most from Copenhagen. In Phinney's case it can partly be explained with age. Wiggo really thundered away this year compared to Copenhagen, even if the consensus then was the he put in a suberb TT. In Copenhagen his average speed was 50.6 kph, today 52.0 kph. Edit: btw, Martin's average today was 51.4 kph, in the worlds last year 51.8 kph. Obviously, Martin wasn't in the same shape as last year in the worlds.

 

[roundabout]

was it Sutton who said that Wigans did something like 6.5 w/kg in Copenhagen and it wasn't enough?

It wouldn't be unresonable to think that he did beat that today.

 

[Darryl Webster]

This is a pointless comparison - why? Because the 25 mile time trial record in England is 45:52 (average speed ~52.6 km/h) and it was set by today's 27th place finisher David McCann.

Still an amazing physiological performance but if you want ammo start with the 42 seconds on Tony Martin

The UK 25 mile record course is a duel carriage road has a over a mile of "gift hill" start..its out and back and you don't go up the hill to finish. Other than that its mostly flat,straight, very well surfaced has one roundabout...oh, and can have a fair amount of traffic including lorry,s . UK records are not set on closed roads.
Comparing uk time trial record times to an international TT is a total no, no.
Weve got 12 hour time trials here with riders( vets at that!) doing over 300miles (25mph) ..its barking mad.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

So we are let to believe Wiggo gains 2 minutes in a year on der Tony? He mustn't be that dedicated with Jose I. on his side of course.

Anchorman Smeets, Dutch tv, went basurk/basork/how do u spell it, when he got the message. Must be his last season of cycling coverage.

Question, where did Chavanel go? He was fifth at the last intermediate?

Edit: one must see I am not even talking about Vrrroooom, must be because he is not a cyclist.

 

[roundabout]

Froome passed him before 18kms.

Don't know if it was a puncture, crash or just a bad day.

29th at five and a half minutes at the finish.

 

[mastersracer]

It's quite ironic the way that there's a little cabal of you guys constantly convinced that the Clinic is a hotbed of conspiracy theories.

guess you missed the comments a few days ago seriously discussing the significance of the wink exchanged between McQuaid and Vos...

 

[Caruut]

guess you missed the comments a few days ago seriously discussing the significance of the wink exchanged between McQuaid and Vos...

I guess I did. Where was it?

 

[mastersracer]

I guess I did. Where was it?

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=15417&page=13

 

[BigBoat]

Would Froome have caught and passed Cancellara too!? That was something from the Brits... TT results and climbs are turned upside down in pro cycling.

was it Sutton who said that Wigans did something like 6.5 w/kg in Copenhagen and it wasn't enough?

It wouldn't be unresonable to think that he did beat that today.

That is fully jacked to the max if its true. Lance never had any higher than that. Heck lance might have had a couple watts less.