Team Ineos (Formerly the Sky thread)

[the big ring]

I was just asking. I wonder how often they update it. Has it changed at all since 2010 do you think?

The interface has changed - looking at the 2010 version via wayback, but the data is not visible in that original version.

 

[Benotti69]

I was just asking. I wonder how often they update it. Has it changed at all since 2010 do you think?

Do you think his weight fluctuates between 7 kg from 76kg to 69kg?

They would be serious for a guy who was always thin.

 

[richtea]

The interface has changed - looking at the 2010 version via wayback, but the data is not visible in that original version.

Fair enough. I'm guessing the most likely explanation is that they haven't bothered keeping it up to date, it's not something people particularly care about outside of these sorts of obscure physiological debates. What do you think?

 

[the big ring]

Fair enough. I'm guessing the most likely explanation is that they haven't bothered keeping it up to date, it's not something people particularly care about outside of these sorts of obscure physiological debates. What do you think?

I think Brad's page was updated with his current info this year, when the site was updated.

 

[richtea]

I think Brad's page was updated with his current info this year, when the site was updated.

Could be. How can we discriminate between these two possibilities?

 

[Benotti69]

Fair enough. I'm guessing the most likely explanation is that they haven't bothered keeping it up to date, it's not something people particularly care about outside of these sorts of obscure physiological debates. What do you think?

Apparently TeamSky pay attention to every last detail

If true and that is truly the basis for their 'marginal gains' theory well then the website should be no different.

 

[richtea]

Apparently TeamSky pay attention to every last detail

If true and that is truly the basis for their 'marginal gains' theory well then the website should be no different.

If you're on the wind up here, then fair play, you've got me. Are you really trying to say that Sky think that updating rider weights on the website will deliver performance benefits on the road?

 

[Benotti69]

If you're on the wind up here, then fair play, you've got me. Are you really trying to say that Sky think that updating rider weights on the website will deliver performance benefits on the road?

I am taking the pish while at the same time suggesting that his weight maybe 69Kg if Sky do as they say and pay attention to every last detail. I imagine that their webite is extremely important to them and the content is pretty accurate.

 

[The Hitch]

Probably covered earlier but just wondering, what was the source of the rumour linking Rogers and Ferrari? Also Evans and Ferrari if possible

 

[Ferminal]

T-Mobile forced Rogers to admit it.

Evans link is the Rominger meeting. There was a report by a German (?) paper which suggested Evans was a client, but the story goes that they mistook him for Rogers.

 

[Koba80]

If your team don't know how much y...n an athlete's true weight to be made public.

 

[the big ring]

To be fair, working in pro-sports I have never once known an athlete's true weight to be made public.

No problem there - but typically they overstate, yes? Or is it randomly distributed either side of reality?

 

[sittingbison]

...I just don't see any evidence that Wiggins has doped. There isn't anything in his performance...Wiggins isn't abrasive towards anti-dopers

welllll....I have listed only half a dozen bits of circumstantial evidence that have generated almost 5000 posts on this thread (and almost 1000 on the cadence thread), to which you have made not the slightest mention other than to say "I don't see anything in his performance, there is no evidence he doped". At least krebs and acoggan et al have made an attempt at addressing these concerns.

Annnnnd...as for the cute and cuddly Wiggo and his charming attitude to anti-dopers, forgotten this one so quickly?:
"you're all bone idle lazy waynkaz. karnts!"

thats not abrasive at all

 

[sittingbison]

Wiggos weight has been done to death several times both here and in the cadence thread. Different sources have different weights, going back 8 years, over both track and road careers. All you had to do was OPEN YOUR EYES when watching this years TdF to see he has lost a LOT of weight. The real figure will not be accurately published, as Dr Ashenden desbribed in the Lance article when talking about the physiology testing done by Prof Grieves (sic).

Anybody that thinks there is no discernible difference between his last track weight and now needs glasses.

And the issue that still has not been adequately resolved (despite krebs best efforts) is how has he not lost power from the 4 minute 82kg performance to the 69kg 1 hour ITT performance and 6 hour per day Pyrenees performances when he was already at peek fitness for the track ie not carrying a spare tyre.

Fat Wiggo

Thin Wiggo

King Wiggo

No way on earth is King Wiggo at track weight. At the final ITT in the TdF I was aghast at his arms vein and sinew definition when he was on the start podium.

 

[Cavalier]

I do enjoy how the comparisons come with different coloured clothing, from different angles, from different distances, and some with sleeves/without. At least try and be uniform with the comparisons either way.

 

[lemoogle]

I do enjoy how the comparisons come with different coloured clothing, from different angles, from different distances, and some with sleeves/without. At least try and be uniform with the comparisons either way.

So if I showed you an obese person from the side, and an anorexic person from the front? then we can't be sure which is which right? And yes I'm exaggerating my point , but let's not pretend we can't see weight differences because of coloured clothing or angles, I mean come on , he's wearing skin tight clothing.

 

[Cavalier]

That's beyond an exaggeration. You're talking two weights which are still at the elite athlete level, ignoring any questions of his ability. My point was simple: the colour of his clothing has a major effect (black is slimming), and the angle and distance of the shot are also directly relevant, not to mention the lens used - which is why that shot of him after Roubaix is absurd.
The best possible comparison would be similarly coloured skinsuits in similar positions, taken from similar distances. I imagine there would be a bucketload of shots from the TdF ITT to compare with that Beijing shot rather than one wearing black taken from a distance.

 

[neineinei]

I do enjoy how the comparisons come with different coloured clothing, from different angles, from different distances, and some with sleeves/without. At least try and be uniform with the comparisons either way.

All right, so from now on, in the name of transparency, which is the Sky middle name after all, all Sky riders must have their photo taken, from all angels, every month, with no clothing but dark socks and ditto briefs. The photos must be posted on the Sky web site under a CC BY-SA licence, so they can be freely used for forum posters who needs to prove stuff to Sky fans.

 

[The Hitch]

T-Mobile forced Rogers to admit it.

Evans link is the Rominger meeting. There was a report by a German (?) paper which suggested Evans was a client, but the story goes that they mistook him for Rogers.

Any source for this ?

 

[Robert21]

So if I showed you an obese person from the side, and an anorexic person from the front? then we can't be sure which is which right? And yes I'm exaggerating my point , but let's not pretend we can't see weight differences because of coloured clothing or angles, I mean come on , he's wearing skin tight clothing.

To me in the shot below 'Wiggo' looks pretty much indistinguishable from the old 'fat' Wiggins, and yet it was taken at this year's Tour when he was supposedly at his lightest weight ever. He certainly looks less emaciated in this picture than in that shot of him wearing black, so clothes and angle certainly do seem to have an effect.

Anyhow, with regards all this 'there is no evidence' thing, isn't the fact that non of the 'explanations' put forward by the Sky camp for Wiggins being transformed from someone who, in his words, 'lost an hour a day' into a Tour winner (lost weight, cadence, abandoning periodisation for year-round 95% plus form and so on) don't actually stand up to scrutiny itself 'evidence' of a sort?

 

[sittingbison]

I purposely didn't post that shot, to avoid arguments of "is he or isn't he". To me, it is obvious what the differences are, thinner thighs, thinner chest, much thinner waist.

Despite what cavalier says, if you can't see that king Wiggo is emaciated there is no point in continuing the discussion. I'm done with Wiggos weight, which has been discussed as nauseim, then re-discussed 1000 posts later by fanboys who can't be bothered reading the thread.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Nicolas Portal

I googled Nicolas Portal. Stopped racing due to Cardiac Arrhythmia....another one

Was with Caisse d'Epargne - not the best reputation out there - nothing much else on him.

???

 

[roundabout]

He was a token Frenchman for the sponsor. Doubt that they wasted dope on him.

 

[2008885]

Look!! There's a bag of drugs stuck up the left leg of his skinsuit!! (Or possibly 20 Consulate and a lighter)

 

[armchairclimber]

Look!! There's a bag of drugs stuck up the left leg of his skinsuit!! (Or possibly 20 Consulate and a lighter)

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