i still think he was legitimately sick last year. it appears to have turned him into a germaphobe. this year he's just getting blown away by the incredible pace.
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zlev11 said:i still think he was legitimately sick last year. it appears to have turned him into a germaphobe. this year he's just getting blown away by the incredible pace.
Fergoose said:Have you any evidence of Sky's "brutal" pace because I'm only seeing them ride mainly defensively (for example today it was Astana that upped the tempo with Nibali and Rosa, that's when the leaders group thinned out more, when Sky were at the front the gap to the breakaway stayed fairly constant).
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thehog said:Fergoose said:Have you any evidence of Sky's "brutal" pace because I'm only seeing them ride mainly defensively (for example today it was Astana that upped the tempo with Nibali and Rosa, that's when the leaders group thinned out more, when Sky were at the front the gap to the breakaway stayed fairly constant).
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Just a hint for you, when the pace is that high, that no one can attack (ref: Dan Martin) and then GC contenders drop off because of the speeds that would indicate "brutal".
Is that enough evidence for you?
Riding defensive, lol! :lol:
hrotha said:The fact is still that big groups make it to the few last km and the breaks have an easy time staying ahead.
DanielSong39 said:His level has been so low this Tour that he almost looks like a clean rider.
My point is that, at the sticky end of every stage, the break still doesn't lose all that much time to the peloton/leaders group.El Pistolero said:hrotha said:The fact is still that big groups make it to the few last km and the breaks have an easy time staying ahead.
That's because Sky gives the break a lot of minutes in a very short time by riding very slowly. After they deem the gap is large enough they start controlling the entire stage and the gap doesn't go out anymore. If they wanted to Sky could easily take back every break. They just don't want to appear too dominant (even though they're doing a poor job of hiding it, at least the average fan seems to be fooled by it).
jmdirt said:Disclaimer: I'm a JvG fan.
I'd like to think his 'level' demonstrates that he is riding as clean as possible in the top platoon.
thehog said:Fergoose said:Have you any evidence of Sky's "brutal" pace because I'm only seeing them ride mainly defensively (for example today it was Astana that upped the tempo with Nibali and Rosa, that's when the leaders group thinned out more, when Sky were at the front the gap to the breakaway stayed fairly constant).
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Just a hint for you, when the pace is that high, that no one can attack (ref: Dan Martin) and then GC contenders drop off because of the speeds that would indicate "brutal".
Is that enough evidence for you?
Riding defensive, lol! :lol:
Fergoose said:thehog said:Fergoose said:Have you any evidence of Sky's "brutal" pace because I'm only seeing them ride mainly defensively (for example today it was Astana that upped the tempo with Nibali and Rosa, that's when the leaders group thinned out more, when Sky were at the front the gap to the breakaway stayed fairly constant).
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Just a hint for you, when the pace is that high, that no one can attack (ref: Dan Martin) and then GC contenders drop off because of the speeds that would indicate "brutal".
Is that enough evidence for you?
Riding defensive, lol! :lol:
Yup, defensively. As in only increasing their pace when someone launches an attack rather than forcing the pace themselves to drop off GC contendors (like they have done at times in previous years). But don't take my word for it. Even Dan Martin said yesterday that Sky had "eased off" after Astana gave up, so Martin would have a chance at an attack. He thought he'd maybe be left by Sky as he was 5 mins down, but no such luck.
A moot point with TJVG though. He was dropped at a time when the breakaway was extending its lead over the defensive Sky train. Suggestion that TJVG had simply not eaten or drank properly but I've no idea if that is accurate. UK media talking like he is a quitter and a mental lightweight. I find that pretty offensive coming from a 24 carat cheat like Dave Millar. Maybe if TJVG had juiced like Dave he'd have had a better day of it.
El Pistolero said:Hard to imagine he's riding dirty in this Tour.
PremierAndrew said:El Pistolero said:Hard to imagine he's riding dirty in this Tour.
But why stop now? Surely his performances last year and in 2012 weren't clean?
El Pistolero said:PremierAndrew said:El Pistolero said:Hard to imagine he's riding dirty in this Tour.
But why stop now? Surely his performances last year and in 2012 weren't clean?
Why not? He has never impressed me. I don't really buy the theory that absolutely everyone dopes in the peloton.
Benotti69 said:Why would any team hire some who dope and others who dont? Would the dopers not be angry that the team hired guys who might blow the whistle.
hrotha said:Teams don't care whether or not you dope, they care whether or not you perform.
mojomonkey said:Tejay trolling the forum, getting in some riding with George and Lance: http://stevetilford.com/2016/08/01/post-tour-schedules
Catwhoorg said:mojomonkey said:Tejay trolling the forum, getting in some riding with George and Lance: http://stevetilford.com/2016/08/01/post-tour-schedules
Isn't doing a training ride with Lance a sanctionable offense, as he is currently serving a ban ?