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zebedee said:
Nadal's personal doctor, Dr Cotorro, flies out to Melbourne to treat his charge's blistered hand with some crazy wondermachine. This is the same Dr Cotorro who doubles as a doping control officer for the Spanish Tennis Federation.

Nice combination. The words conflict of interest do not exist in the Spanish sporting lexicon.


What is sad is the ITF's reaction.

Nothing.


When Puerto broke, and the Spanish authorities claimed "no other athletes other than cyclists are being investigated" (even though Fuentes said tennis players were involved), the ITF replied, "no action is needed by us".

When Del Moral was outed as a doping doctor, and was known to work with highly ranked tennis players, the ITF replied, "no action is needed by us".

The ITF's head of doping control (Stuart Miller) claims that the ITF doesn't need to do as many drug tests as other sports, because the ITF "intelligent tests".

The only "intelligent testing" the ITF does is to test so that only sloppy, lower level dopers get caught (for example, one year they did most of their out of competition testing in October and November, EXACTLY WHEN MOST PRO TENNIS PLAYERS WOULD BE CYCLING DOWN).
 
Andynonomous said:
I was banned again at "MensTennisForums".

Why ?

Another poster called Roger Federer a Fraud, because he thinks that Roger won most of his Grand Slams in a "weak era".

I replied:

Roger does not

- Misuse medical time outs to get a strategic advantage
- Get illegal coaching
- Use grunts and sneaker squeeks to throw off his opponent
- Repeatedly break the time limits while serving
- Use performance enhancing drugs to make up for a lack of tennis talent

It's not Roger that is the fraud !




I never accused any other specific players of doing these things, or even mentioned any other player's names anywhere in my post. Of course the mod who banned me knows who I am talking about, because THEY believe that this other player does all of these cheating activities that I said that Roger DOESN'T do.

It's a virtual admission that they KNOW this other player is a CHEAT, but they will still cover up for him. The Omerta in Tennis is MUCH stronger than it ever was in cycling.
Also, Federer doesn't have the disturbing habit of picking his bum and smelling his fingers before serving.
You'd think someone in his entourage would make mention of his pre-serve ritual, if only in a subtle way, like saying: "Hey Rafa. Remember that cross court winner you made in the second set against Federer? You know, the shot you made after picking your bum and smelling your fingers? That was awesome!"
 
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Tennis players naturally develop very defined forearms, wrist, and hand strength and some players eventually developed tree trunk like legs normally if that was their build, but you show me one, just one tennis player over the decades who developed serious biceps like Nadal's and to top it off, without any gym work according to Uncle Tony. Not normal.
 
Dec 30, 2010
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zebedee said:
Nadal's personal doctor, Dr Cotorro, flies out to Melbourne to treat his charge's blistered hand with some crazy wondermachine. This is the same Dr Cotorro who doubles as a doping control officer for the Spanish Tennis Federation.

Nice combination. The words conflict of interest do not exist in the Spanish sporting lexicon.


I noticed that all references to Dr. Cotorro's specialty ("licensed physician for complétion of doping control") have been removed or changed from key webpages.

I have been highlighting this obvious conflict of interest (that a doctor who is trained to catch drug cheats, should be consulting with these same players - probably to tell them how to dope without testing positive) on many discussion forums for the last couple of years. I guess someone in power has been embarrassed by my efforts, and has done some cleansing.
 
Jul 26, 2012
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I think you might have triggered a smokescreen, Andy. What a brazen conflict of interest.

The ITF continually show themselves up for the utterly useless sporting body they have become. They don't control the rules; the ATP/WTA effectively do that now. They don't (nearly enough) regulate the tournaments, the racquets, the strings, the balls or the court surfaces. The manufacturers and sponsors effectively do all that. Above all perhaps, they don't control the drugs.

What does the ITF actually do? Apart from promote tennis in the Congo and the occasional international coaching conference, giving platforms to such esteemed speakers as Doctor Luis Garcia del Moral, not a lot.
 
Dec 30, 2010
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zebedee said:
I think you might have triggered a smokescreen, Andy. What a brazen conflict of interest.

The ITF continually show themselves up for the utterly useless sporting body they have become. They don't control the rules; the ATP/WTA effectively do that now. They don't (nearly enough) regulate the tournaments, the racquets, the strings, the balls or the court surfaces. The manufacturers and sponsors effectively do all that. Above all perhaps, they don't control the drugs.

What does the ITF actually do? Apart from promote tennis in the Congo and the occasional international coaching conference, giving platforms to such esteemed speakers as Doctor Luis Garcia del Moral, not a lot.

Not only does the ITF not discourage Cotorro from working players, but they endorse him as a legitimate member of the tennis community.
 
Sep 29, 2012
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Andynonomous said:
I noticed that all references to Dr. Cotorro's specialty ("licensed physician for complétion of doping control") have been removed or changed from key webpages.

I have been highlighting this obvious conflict of interest (that a doctor who is trained to catch drug cheats, should be consulting with these same players - probably to tell them how to dope without testing positive) on many discussion forums for the last couple of years. I guess someone in power has been embarrassed by my efforts, and has done some cleansing.
Slightly OT, but I've known about a member of the UCI's doping panel who is also involved in advising athletes on medical interventions, so it's not limited to ITF.
 
robow7 said:
Tennis players naturally develop very defined forearms, wrist, and hand strength and some players eventually developed tree trunk like legs normally if that was their build, but you show me one, just one tennis player over the decades who developed serious biceps like Nadal's and to top it off, without any gym work according to Uncle Tony. Not normal.
thats easy, look at the very first post on this very thread :D

Moose McKnuckles said:
Exhibit # 1. She-MAN-tha Stosur.

 
Apr 2, 2013
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42x16ss said:
At least Stosur has the guts to admit she spends a LOT of time in the gym. Nadal doesn't even have the courtesy to do that :rolleyes:
You have a source, where he says he doesn't spend time in the gym?
 
Dec 30, 2010
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spiROZE said:
You have a source, where he says he doesn't spend time in the gym?

I hate the gym.


He has said this numerous times (although it still doesn't stop his fanboys from repeating "he gets his muscles from working hard in the gym"). Much like the Armstrong fanboys who justified his performance by saying "he just works harder than the others". Unfortunately Nadal admits in the above article that "he gets fit by just playing in tournaments". So he doesn't work any harder than the other tennis players, yet he is significantly stronger, faster, and has much more stamina than the others.
 
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when have you heard of a top pro sportsperson honestly revealing their individual training schedule to the general public??
 
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Andynonomous said:
I hate the gym.


He has said this numerous times (although it still doesn't stop his fanboys from repeating "he gets his muscles from working hard in the gym"). Much like the Armstrong fanboys who justified his performance by saying "he just works harder than the others". Unfortunately Nadal admits in the above article that "he gets fit by just playing in tournaments". So he doesn't work any harder than the other tennis players, yet he is significantly stronger, faster, and has much more stamina than the others.
I'm not defending Rafa here, as his build is rather "unusual" for a tennis player, but a couple of points spring to mind:

In the interview to which you linked, Rafa claims to not spend much time in the gym not that he didn't spend any time in the gym. How long is "not much"? (Rhetorical question - it could mean anything from 5 minutes to many hours a week as "much" is entirely subjective.)

Also, the situation is not analogous to Lance, who was only too keen to claim that he trained harder than anyone else. And he may well have done. Someone has to be the hardest trainer, and given the amount of PEDs he took, he doubtless recovered faster than most!
 
Oct 16, 2010
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Tennis always had a doping problem. Nadal made it obvious. With guys like murray, stosur, ferrer, and the williams brothers it has become ridiculous.
 
May 26, 2009
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Andynonomous said:
Roger does not

- Misuse medical time outs to get a strategic advantage
- Get illegal coaching
- Use grunts and sneaker squeeks to throw off his opponent
- Repeatedly break the time limits while serving
- Use performance enhancing drugs to make up for a lack of tennis talent


Yeah, he's like clearly the cleanest of the bunch. Just like Carl Lewis was so much cleaner than that pumped up muscle guy called Ben Johnson.

Seriously... I'm getting tired of the sometimes occuring lynchmob mentality here, but claiming athlete X or Y is surely clean is just going of a cliff on the other side of the area.

If there is Omerta it's likely because the majority of players is cheating.
 
Dec 30, 2010
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Franklin said:
Yeah, he's like clearly the cleanest of the bunch. Just like Carl Lewis was so much cleaner than that pumped up muscle guy called Ben Johnson.

Seriously... I'm getting tired of the sometimes occuring lynchmob mentality here, but claiming athlete X or Y is surely clean is just going of a cliff on the other side of the area.

If there is Omerta it's likely because the majority of players is cheating.

So what did the Armstrong supporters say when the noose was tightening around their hero ?



They all do it.
They all do it.
They all do it.
They all do it.
They all do it.
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They all do it.
They all do it.
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They all do it.




Truth is, some do, and some don't. We can't say for sure who does , but some have A LOT more circumstantial evidence against them, than others.

NO ONE has as much circumstantial evidence against them in the mans game today, as Nadal has, just as NO ONE had as much circumstantial evidence against them in cycling as Armstrong did when he won 7 straight Tours.
 
May 26, 2009
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JackRabbitSlims said:
when have you heard of a top pro sportsperson honestly revealing their individual training schedule to the general public??
Exactly.

The argument that he's using dope and his training at the court bulked him up doesn't seem likely... as that would suggest he's the only one using steroids in those quantities. Also, if he's not using the Gym you would expect pthers who do use the Gym to be even much more bulky... which doesn't seem to be the case. Considering the Omerta and the money involved this is highly improbable. It's extremly likely that nadal is using both Ped's and efficient gym training.

So I agree here, his comments on his training are not worth much, as is with any athlete. They love to mislead.
 
Apr 22, 2012
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SundayRider said:
His huge legs, similar to Murray in that respect.
This is totally brainless what you say. Because huge legs aren't advantage. In fact they are maybe his biggest weakness. And he has always had them. Everybody's legs are twigs compared to Berdych.
And if he doped something what makes muscles to grow, why he wouldn't have big upper body? He's very lean there.
 
May 28, 2010
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While I don't doubt they all dope, over here in Spain if you happen to go to the conferences and the like of physios, rehab specialists and trainers, people who train Rafa do give talks and outline what they have done, what worked what didn't etc.

To say he doesn't go to the gym is not correct.
 
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Kokoso said:
This is totally brainless what you say. Because huge legs aren't advantage. In fact they are maybe his biggest weakness. And he has always had them. Everybody's legs are twigs compared to Berdych.
And if he doped something what makes muscles to grow, why he wouldn't have big upper body? He's very lean there.
You don't understand how PED's work.
 

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