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thrawn said:
Nadal's changing service speed is very odd. Whilst it is possible to flatten your servce out to get extra speed, I do wonder why he hasn't tried it since then. It obviously worked wonders to help him win the 2010 US Open. Whilst I'm fairly certain Nadal is on a doping program, I guess the question is why hasn't he been able to serve at the same average speed since?

It's technical as much as anything, his first serve percentage did drop a bit as he increased the power.

One of the weirdest incidents with Nadal was him fainting at the 2011 US Open after a routine straight sets victory, it reminds of Tyler getting a blood transfusion of dead red blood cells.
 
Briant_Gumble said:
It's technical as much as anything, his first serve percentage did drop a bit as he increased the power.

One of the weirdest incidents with Nadal was him fainting at the 2011 US Open after a routine straight sets victory, it reminds of Tyler getting a blood transfusion of dead red blood cells.

It was cramp...it did look like cramp. I just watched it again and it looked genuine. Why he didnt tell anyone though as it was happenin was a bit odd.
 
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Serena - religion and PEDS

Its very obvious she's on the Roids. But what gets me is her religious life and christian beliefs. I mean she really is a bible basher - so how can she justify that to herself when CHEATING.
 

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Cycle Chic said:
Its very obvious she's on the Roids. But what gets me is her religious life and christian beliefs. I mean she really is a bible basher - so how can she justify that to herself when CHEATING.

I'd like to introduce you to some Catholic priests I know.
 
Aug 16, 2012
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Cycle Chic said:
Its very obvious she's on the Roids. But what gets me is her religious life and christian beliefs. I mean she really is a bible basher - so how can she justify that to herself when CHEATING.

These types are especially adept at self-justification.
 
Sep 7, 2012
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sniper said:
you would no doubt agree that Nadal isn't the only tennis player on a heavy duty program. but PEDS do seem to favor his style, or rather generally the spanish style of playing, which is traditionally based on heavy topspin, lots of running, etc (the gravel tradition). The game of guys like Nadal and Ferrer is based almost exclusively on the physical intimidation, outpowering and outrunning of their opponents.
Of course they aren't the first in that tradition (just think of Thomas Muster, Michael Chang, Leyton Hewitt, and some other guys), but Nadal, Ferrer and also Djoker are setting new standards in terms of fitness.

Now, with huge guys like Berdych, Del Potro and Murray running up and down the court like Michael Chang used to do, there can be no doubt that PEDs are a major asset of every top 20 player's game.

I also find Germans Haas and Kohlschreiber somewhat suspect, not just because they're extremely fit, but also because both ignored the olympics in spite of being in topform.

Tennis really does have a problem with PEDS, but you are so off base with the remarks you make.

1. Haas wanted to go to the Olympics and was upset Germany chose Kolhschreiber instead. Kohly pulling out was very suspicious I agree. Haas is 34 now, way past his best and has had one of the most unlucky careers ever. He does not need the money, but is playing for the love of the game. I don't think he would be doping now.

2. There is nothing at all odd about Americans missing European clay tournaments. The American players don't like being away from home for several months and historically are poor on clay. For them it is a good time to rest and prepare for the grass season, which they care about.

3. There was nothing surprising about Murray's Olympic form. He has been the 3rd best grass court player for a while. Federer and Nadal the two best inn the last couple of years. He probably played worst at the Olympics than he did the Wimbledon final.

4. There was nothing surprising about Federer's Olympic final performance. He was exhausted from all his matches during the week and the long semi final. In the match with Del Potro he played as well as he had all Wimbledon. It's actually a positive sign that he was tired for the final.

That being said I would guess as much as 30% of the top 50 are doping and the percentage rises the higher we get.
 
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Cycle Chic said:
Its very obvious she's on the Roids. But what gets me is her religious life and christian beliefs. I mean she really is a bible basher - so how can she justify that to herself when CHEATING.

Well considering she goes around threatening to kill linesmen, I would say its pretty easy to understand that she can justify that to herself.
 
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70kmph said:
Someone telephone Travis Tygart surely
Its ridiculous

How USADA handled the Armstrong case makes it pretty clear its not all about doping so wouldn't expect the Williams sisters to get a look into anytime soon. To be honest given the state of the competition they wouldn't even need to dope.
 
jamesmick8 said:
Tennis really does have a problem with PEDS, but you are so off base with the remarks you make.

3. There was nothing surprising about Murray's Olympic form. He has been the 3rd best grass court player for a while. Federer and Nadal the two best inn the last couple of years. He probably played worst at the Olympics than he did the Wimbledon final.

4. There was nothing surprising about Federer's Olympic final performance. He was exhausted from all his matches during the week and the long semi final. In the match with Del Potro he played as well as he had all Wimbledon. It's actually a positive sign that he was tired for the final.

That being said I would guess as much as 30% of the top 50 are doping and the percentage rises the higher we get.

Excuse me - Murray positively OUTPLAYED Federer...and no-one outplays Federer...not in that manner. Murray was bouncing around like Ferrer...and they had both played the same tournaments beforehand. Federer doesnt get tired ! name a match when you have seen him tired.

Its Murray who usually lollups about the court whingeing and moaning about some ache or pain..grimacing.

I predicted he would also win the US Open - and may just do that. This is a different Muurray we are seeing.
 
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Cycle Chic said:
Excuse me - Murray positively OUTPLAYED Federer...and no-one outplays Federer...not in that manner. Murray was bouncing around like Ferrer...and they had both played the same tournaments beforehand. Federer doesnt get tired ! name a match when you have seen him tired.

Its Murray who usually lollups about the court whingeing and moaning about some ache or pain..grimacing.

I predicted he would also win the US Open - and may just do that. This is a different Muurray we are seeing.

Federer was dead and exhausted. After the Del Potro match it was certain Murray would win the final. You do realise that Federer spent more time on court during the 6 days prior to the Olympic final than he did in the 13 prior to the Wimbledon final?

There is no difference in Murray. The change in Murray happened way back in 08 when he came back huge and supremely fit. There has been nothing different since then. If you want to question anything then it started there and has not changed.

Federer is very fit, but he gets tired all the time. He is just an old school player, who does not believe in showing the world you are injured. The older he has got the more matches where he has been dead on his feet.
Here are some matches where he was dead in the 5th set.

Marat Safin 2005 Australian Open
Simon Australian Open 2010 Australian Open
Nadal 2009 Australian Open
Del Potro 2009 US Open
etc

Federer' poor 5 set record is all down to getting tired the longer the match goes. Notice how as he has got older he started losing matches from 2 sets up in slams. He had never done this before 2011. He even admitted that when he played Djokovic in 2010 he had to give up sets 3 and 4 to save energy after going a break behind early.
 
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USADA tested Serena "panic room" Williams once in the last 4 years (sometime this year).

The ITF OOC-tested Serena once from 2009 through 2011 (may 2009).
 
Aug 16, 2012
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Tyler'sTwin said:
USADA tested Serena "panic room" Williams once in the last 4 years (sometime this year).

The ITF OOC-tested Serena once from 2009 through 2011 (may 2009).

Surprised they have even tested her once it's such an invasion of privacy :rolleyes:
 
Aug 16, 2012
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Rafa Nadal ‏@RafaelNadal

Congrats @albertocontador for your new vuelta the most hotly contested in recent years! Enjoy champion #devuelta ! pic.twitter.com/a2rSH179

:rolleyes:
 
Aug 18, 2012
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jamesmick8 said:
Testing in tennis is pathetic. The Omerta in tennis is probably as big as it is in cycling.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/t...doping-in-tennis/story-e6frfgao-1225945952303

Props to Christophe for speaking out.

Murray criticised Wayne Odensik in the first week of Wimbledon for "snitching" which is pretty ridiculous Omertaist behaviour.

Annoying that no one in the press calls him out for, what reading between the lines, are clearly pro drug comments.

Will he be tested by USADA at the US Open?
 
Was watching some of the women's finals when Mrs. Alpe casually commented about Serena, "uh, she looks like a man."

If testing in tennis really that non-existent? Even golfers seem to get tested more. Heck, competitive sailing even adheres to WADA code.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
Was watching some of the women's finals when Mrs. Alpe casually commented about Serena, "uh, she looks like a man."

If testing in tennis really that non-existent? Even golfers seem to get tested more. Heck, competitive sailing even adheres to WADA code.

I wouldn't know a single player in the men's game with legs the size of Serena's.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
If testing in tennis really that non-existent? Even golfers seem to get tested more. Heck, competitive sailing even adheres to WADA code.

once the USADA case is really finished, I would very much hope for WADA to make some serious inquiry into Del Moral's links to tennis. For starters, that is.
 

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sniper said:
once the USADA case is really finished, I would very much hope for WADA to make some serious inquiry into Del Moral's links to tennis. For starters, that is.

Not just tennis. The Spanish authorities should open his patient diary and look in his bank account to see just which athletes in which sports were benefiting from the kind doctor's attentive medical care. Idem for Marti (if sanctioned by the USADA).
 
Spanish doctors don't really get busted by the authorities there because no political will exists to bust their national sporting heroes who are doping, Davis Cup winners all. What happened after the Fuentes scandal? Nothing much. No national enquiry that I know of. Nor any general consensus for a clean up. The Spanish government even released a statement at one point denying the involvement of any tennis player in the Fuentes investigation. That was a straight political choice, not to investigate. Dr Fuentes had made it clear himself that he was involved with tennis pros too. His claim, that he could have got the Spanish 2010 World Cup victory rescinded, speaks for itself and was never taken further either.

Doping has long gone on in tennis. McEnroe probably doped, particularly in late career when his estranged wife made claims relating to his steroid abuse. He also infers use of recreational drugs in his auobiography - something I've come to recognise as a good sign that something else more serious is going on in parallel. Sampras is rumoured to have blood-doped, to address his inherited blood disorder. Agassi doped after teaming up with his trainer, Gil Reyes. Tennis players simply don't bench press 350 pounds or so. His admission to crystal meth use, again a digression, wasn't one tenth of the whole story. Rusedski and others may have doped, well after the ATP had told players to stop using its contaminated supplements (some with nandrolone to assist recovery). He got off on a technicality, convenient to all including the tennis authorities although there is now doubt that the nandrolone level tested for was fair as it is also endogenous. In those days it was the ATP/WTA themselves that did the anti-doping, a complete joke.

It's little better now. The ITF budget is miniscule in relation to what is really required. There's a head in the sand attitude generally about doping in tennis, with an adoring public more than ready to accept the fairytale fantasy that tennis is a drug free sport and a less-than-inquisitive reporting press. The one difference I see with with cycling is that doping in tennis isn't as conspiratorial and cannot be as organised as it is in pro-cycling. Players tend to maintain their professional distance from one another and by and large keep their doping secrets guarded. The doping doctors, as far as we know, are principally associated with other sports, hence what we see now with del Moral.
 
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Doping has long gone on in tennis. McEnroe probably doped, particularly in late career when his estranged wife made claims relating to his steroid abuse. He also infers use of recreational drugs in his auobiography - something I've come to recognise as a good sign that something else more serious is going on in parallel. Sampras is rumoured to have blood-doped, to address his inherited blood disorder. Agassi doped after teaming up with his trainer, Gil Reyes. Tennis players simply don't bench press 350 pounds or so. His admission to crystal meth use, again a digression, wasn't one tenth of the whole story. Rusedski and others doped, well after the ATP had told players to stop using its contaminated supplements (some with nandrolone to assist recovery). He got off on a technicality, convenient to all including the tennis authorities. In those days it was the ATP/WTA themselves that did the anti-doping, a complete joke.

I sure hope that Goran Ivanisevic didn't dope. Does anyone know anything about that?

Williams sisters are/were really head and shoulders above other women in terms of strength which is significant factor in tennis gameplay and winning.

I'm really sick of people saying cycling has a problem like it is the only sport using doping, but as much as I can see cycling is one of rare sports dealing with doping at all. Football, tennis, basketball, etc. just deny existence of doping among athletes.